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Bluzmn59 said...
A) Any of you who think that those fools on crotch rockets are "my people" haven't been paying attention to me at all on here.
B) There are people on motorcycles doing stupid crap all the time, I agree, but they are almost always a danger to themselves and their passengers, not the driving public at large. Incidents where motorcyclists hurt and kill others are relatively few, unlike people in cars/trucks who kill us all the time. I have buried friends and every one of them was killed by a car, not by another motorcycle or themselves.
C) And my last word on this subject is this: ANYBODY who texts while driving is a complete
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Bluzmn59 said...
Nope, not agreeing to disagree on this one. If my stance is a mere opinion, it is one gleaned from over 30 years of high-mileage riding. I have almost never had a person on a motorcycle threaten my life, but people in cars on cell phones threaten my life, without exaggeration, virtually every time I ride. So, that soccer mom with her mini-van full of kids and her cell phone are an exponentially greater threat to my life than any motorcyclist.
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hawkirob said...
A) that is irrelevant if they are "your people" or not. Do people in 4 wheeled vehicles get the same consideration from those in the motorcycling circle depending on what they drive?
B) so if a motorcyclists weaves in and out of traffic and causes somebody in a car to slam on the brakes, they aren't a danger to that car or the people that may behind that car?
C) i agree, however the feel good laws on the books now don't really deter the activity.
A) Without reading backwards in the thread, somebody said I should preach to my "people" and I am stating, for the record, that idiots on crotch rockets are not my people and give sane and safe motorcyclists a bad name. Not sure what you are asking in the question, but people on four or more wheels while texting (which was the subject of my post in the first place) are a threat to me no matter what they are driving.
B) Not even close to the same extent. If you have ever been on a motorcycle and been faced with somebody who is driving erratically, you would understand my point. It is a rare event indeed for a motorcyclist to make a misstep, intentional or otherwise and cause death and/or dismemberment of somebody in a car. It happens just about every
day that a car causes the same.
C) I would argue that there are no good laws on the books. Merely stating that something is illegal is worthless unless there is a coordinate effort at enforcement and punishment. And I will add that driving while talking on the cell phone or texting is the same as driving while intoxicated so the same level of vehemence and indignation should be directed at those people as is directed at drunk drivers.
Drivers on Cell Phones Are as Bad as Drunks - University of Utah News Release: June 29th, 2006
http://www.unews.utah.edu/old/p/062206-1.html
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A) Without reading backwards in the thread, somebody said I should preach to my "people" and I am stating, for the record, that idiots on crotch rockets are not my people and give sane and safe motorcyclists a bad name. Not sure what you are asking in the question, but people on four or more wheels while texting (which was the subject of my post in the first place) are a threat to me no matter what they are driving.
B) Not even close to the same extent. If you have ever been on a motorcycle and been faced with somebody who is driving erratically, you would understand my point. It is a rare event indeed for a motorcyclist to make a misstep, intentional or otherwise and cause death and/or dismemberment of somebody in a car. It happens just about every
day that a car causes the same.
C) I would argue that there are no good laws on the books. Merely stating that something is illegal is worthless unless there is a coordinate effort at enforcement and punishment. And I will add that driving while talking on the cell phone or texting is the same as driving while intoxicated so the same level of vehemence and indignation should be directed at those people as is directed at drunk drivers.
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ScarletnCream said...
I have no bias to motorcyclists
Then I will ask you one question:
If I drive crazy in my Silverado and rear-end somebody in a car or if I drive crazy in my Silverado and rear-end somebody on a bike, do you really think the risk of death or dismemberment is equivalent? How about if I rear-end that car with my Harley. Good grief....
Why am I even bothering with this?
This post was edited by Bluzmn59 on 2/24/2013 at 5:10 PM
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Then I will ask you one question:
If I drive crazy in my Silverado and rear-end somebody in a car or if I drive crazy in my Silverado and rear-end somebody on a bike, do you really think the risk of death or dismemberment is equivalent? How about if I rear-end that car with my Harley. Good grief....
Why am I even bothering with this?
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Bluzmn59 said...
Then I will ask you one question:
If I drive crazy in my Silverado and rear-end somebody in a car or if I drive crazy in my Silverado and rear-end somebody on a bike, do you really think the risk of death or dismemberment is equivalent? How about if I rear-end that car with my Harley. Good grief....
Why am I even bothering with this?
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mistyhawk said...
But you are missing the point. If you hit a horse its going to damage your car, if you hit my dog its going to be a spot on the road. That means the horse caused more damage. Maybe my dog caused some to the bottom of your car but not just as much as the horse did. It's not hard to understand.
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Hawkifish said...
I understand that and I don't think anyone is denying that, but its not the point I'm trying to make. There seems to be a belief among some (not necessarily anyone ITT) that bikers are infallible. I'm just saying that an idiot operating any machine can be dangerous and motorcycles are definitely included in that.
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But you are missing the point. If you hit a horse its going to damage your car, if you hit my dog its going to be a spot on the road. That means the horse caused more damage. Maybe my dog caused some to the bottom of your car but not just as much as the horse did. It's not hard to understand.
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mistyhawk said...
I thought he said he knew that idiot bikers were out there. But to say its the same damage is not right. Obviously a motorcycle can cause damage and it happens but a truck or car doing the same thing will cause more.
The damage can be just as bad, though it obviously usually isn't. That's all I'm (and I'm pretty sure SnC is) saying. I don't think any of us here really disagree with the viewpoints of others. What we appear to have here, is a failure to communicate. No matter.
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Bluzmn59 said...
A) Without reading backwards in the thread, somebody said I should preach to my "people" and I am stating, for the record, that idiots on crotch rockets are not my people and give sane and safe motorcyclists a bad name. Not sure what you are asking in the question, but people on four or more wheels while texting (which was the subject of my post in the first place) are a threat to me no matter what they are driving.
B) Not even close to the same extent. If you have ever been on a motorcycle and been faced with somebody who is driving erratically, you would understand my point. It is a rare event indeed for a motorcyclist to make a misstep, intentional or otherwise and cause death and/or dismemberment of somebody in a car. It happens just about every
day that a car causes the same.
C) I would argue that there are no good laws on the books. Merely stating that something is illegal is worthless unless there is a coordinate effort at enforcement and punishment. And I will add that driving while talking on the cell phone or texting is the same as driving while intoxicated so the same level of vehemence and indignation should be directed at those people as is directed at drunk drivers.
This post was edited by hawkirob on 2/24/2013 at 7:07 PM
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