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derHawkeye said...
None of us have a right to say what is and isn't fair in this case, she should get her license and be "able" to fight whomever she wants, no one can "force" anyone else to fight them.
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JWolf0074 said...
She's been taking hormones and has no testicles to produce testosterone. After awhile, I think there really wouldn't be a hormonal advantage.
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fuisu said...
If she is licensed and gets into UFC, if she wins enough fights than she is eligible a shot at the title.
I doubt some like Ronda Rousey would want to fight her when she doesn't even want to fight Cyborg for using steroids.
That's horrible for Ronda, she'd either have to fight or give up her belt. So yea, girls who signed up for tourney will be forced to fight her
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I find it funny fu asks for other opinions on the matter and then seems to get pissy when other people give them
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fuisu said...
Oh Really?
What do you think has a more probable chance of happening, a male to female transgender winning the title belt at any weight class or a female to male transgender winning a title belt at any weight class? Science will tell you there is equality on hormonal levels, but what does common sense say?
MMA is the last sport transgenderism would be fair on for equal terms in competition
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Oh Really?
What do you think has a more probable chance of happening, a male to female transgender winning the title belt at any weight class or a female to male transgender winning a title belt at any weight class? Science will tell you there is equality on hormonal levels, but what does common sense say?
MMA is the last sport transgenderism would be fair on for equal terms in competition
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derHawkeye said...
Female to male transgender? Not saying medicine can't do it, because I'm 99% sure the technology already exists, but either way it's irrelevant in this case.
The topic is if she should be able to do this and if it's fair. There is no reason she shouldn't be allowed to fight, and since the fighters she would be going up against have the choice of whether or not to fight her, if they decide to do it, it's fair.
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The tech is there, it's not what male parts or female parts they have. It's what they identify themselves as and what their hormone levels say. When a female to male transgender occurs they look like Chers kid. She no longer has breast or ovaries, and she doesn't have a penis or testicles. Same thing with this male to female transgender, sure he no longer has a penis or testicles but he also doesn't have the natural same amount of mamalary glands in the breast tissue or let alone any resemblance of a uterus.... it's just a hole, man made.
So it's not really irrelevant, your practically saying as long as the two people fighting have the same hormonal levels they should be able to fight. I say chop off Anderson Silvas man parts, inject him with estrogen and let him dominate the women's the division under your philosophy. Why we are at it, lets take out Ronda Rouseys mammalary glands, give her a hysterectomy, pump her full of testorone and watch her lose every fight in the men's division. You do realize we aren't playing golf here.
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JWolf0074 said...
Testosterone is what helps build muscle.
Male to female transgendered individuals with their testicles removed would not have a hormonal advantage over natural women.
Female to male transgendered individuals cannot produce their own testosterone naturally, so would be at a disadvantage over their natural male counterparts. I don't think this is a complicated concept. That said, the FtoM should still be able to fight if they choose to IMO, as should a MtoF.
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fuisu said...
Considering the UFC is trying to disban fighters on TrT, I'd say Dana White would agree with me.
He doesn't think it's fair to have two fighters fight unless its there natural hormones.
Also what difference would it make if their hormone levels are the same? In your book your saying it doesn't, so why can't a F2M fighter with the same amount a testorone as her male counter part fighter have a disadvantage. In your book they wouldn't but I bet they lose. Same thing with the M2F fighter but with opposite results.
When you grow up with hormones for that long there will be residual advantages in fighting, no matter how long you wait.
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derHawkeye said...
Lmao, it is completely irrelevant. They're 2 separate cases with different problems and different circumstances. I have to admit I love how you are trying to turn the argument around to attack my credibility and logic.
You're continued failure to show any knowledge of human physiology does not help your point and your continued deflection of the original argument so you don't have to admit you're wrong continues discredit you further and further.
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fuisu said...
Der, straight up fact here. I've passed human physiology, endocrinology, biochemistry classes and the national boards associated with them also they were my highest scores.
But I'm sure your the expert with that one exercise physiology class you took for your coaching endorsement like me.
I'll let you guys debate, I've stated enough and feel better after hearing Dana Whites thoughts on the matter
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