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Fallon Fox is her name. She was born a male and now identifies as a woman. No biggie, except she wants to fight, cage fighting that is. She already as but now that it publicized she's struggling to get licensed to fight. She wants to fight MMA against other women.
What's your thoughts
Florida State Boxing Commission officials are reviewing the mixed martial arts license of Championship Fighting Alliance women's featherweight tournament participant Fallon Fox, after learning that she is a transgender female.
Personally I think it's unfair. I believe in equal rights yada yada yada but I don't think it's fair.
I didnt think it was fair that Renée Richards did this in tennis (espn 30 for 30 story) and I don't think it's fair in any sport. I have no problems with people's different sexualities, how they dress or how they identify themselves when it comes to sports but I don't think it's fair that a person born as a male can get a sex change operation and expect to play against there new sex opponent. If you grow up as a dude for that long there is clearly an advantage and if you grow as a gal that long there is clearly a disadvantage. Just my opinion
Personally, I DGAF about MMA or women's sports in general.
She's been taking hormones and has no testicles to produce testosterone. After awhile, I think there really wouldn't be a hormonal advantage.
I don't know enough about what JWolf said here to give an educated opinion on the matter
If people agree to fight her there shouldn't be any problem. There is a physiological advantage, but it doesn't guarantee she'll win and if the other fighter agrees to fight her and loses, that fighter has nothing to complain about as they knew what they were getting into. None of us have a right to say what is and isn't fair in this case, she should get her license and be "able" to fight whomever she wants, no one can "force" anyone else to fight them.
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If she is licensed and gets into UFC, if she wins enough fights than she is eligible a shot at the title.
I doubt someone like Ronda Rousey would want to fight her when she doesn't even want to fight Cyborg for using steroids.
That's horrible for Ronda, she'd either have to fight or give up her belt. So yea, girls who signed up for the tourney will be forced to fight her or drop out.
This post was edited by fuisu 13 months ago
What do you think has a more probable chance of happening, a male to female transgender winning the title belt at any weight class or a female to male transgender winning a title belt at any weight class? Science will tell you there is equality on hormonal levels, but what does common sense say?
MMA is the last sport transgenderism would be fair on for equal terms in competition
Basically everyone produces a certain amount of testosterone (it's a very small amount), testicles is what boosts testosterone in males to so much higher levels than females. If you remove the testicles, the main testosterone producer is not available to produce the extra amounts and male features become less pronounced. Testosterone is also a primary focus of building muscle, professional trainers design programs around creating a testosterone response or "boost" from athletes which helps build muscle.
Besides the hormonal side of the equation, this kind of goes without saying but males inherently are born with more muscle fibers and therefore have a naturally higher power output. Women can overcome the natural disadvantage through training, but women will always have a disadvantage over a male with the same level of training.
I find it funny fu asks for other opinions on the matter and then seems to get pissy when other people give them
That's up to the UFC and the managing body to decide. Rules aren't set in stone and the UFC wouldn't sign her to a contract to fight professionally for them if none of the fighters want to fight her. The fact is that she should still be "allowed" to fight people.
Isn't that normal?
I don't know enough about what Buck Russell said here to give an educated opinion on the matter
That's very clever, good one
Female to male transgender? Not saying medicine can't do it, because I'm 99% sure the technology already exists, but either way it's irrelevant in this case.
The topic is if she should be able to do this and if it's fair. There is no reason she shouldn't be allowed to fight, and since the fighters she would be going up against have the choice of whether or not to fight her, if they decide to do it, it's fair.
Testosterone is what helps build muscle.
Male to female transgendered individuals with their testicles removed would not have a hormonal advantage over natural women.
Female to male transgendered individuals cannot produce their own testosterone naturally, so would be at a disadvantage over their natural male counterparts. I don't think this is a complicated concept. That said, the FtoM should still be able to fight if they choose to IMO, as should a MtoF.
This post was edited by JWolf0074 13 months ago
The tech is there, it's not what male parts or female parts they have. It's what they identify themselves as and what their hormone levels say. When a female to male transgender occurs they look like Chers kid. She no longer has breast or ovaries, and she doesn't have a penis or testicles. Same thing with this male to female transgender, sure he no longer has a penis or testicles but he also doesn't have the natural same amount of mamalary glands in the breast tissue or let alone any resemblance of a uterus.... it's just a hole, man made.
So it's not really irrelevant, your practically saying as long as the two people fighting have the same hormonal levels they should be able to fight. I say chop off Anderson Silvas man parts, inject him with estrogen and let him dominate the women's the division under your philosophy. Why we are at it, lets take out Ronda Rouseys mammalary glands, give her a hysterectomy, pump her full of testorone and watch her lose every fight in the men's division. You do realize we aren't playing golf here.
Lmao, it is completely irrelevant. They're 2 separate cases with different problems and different circumstances. I have to admit I love how you are trying to turn the argument around to attack my credibility and logic.
You're continued failure to show any knowledge of human physiology does not help your point and your continued deflection of the original argument so you don't have to admit you're wrong continues discredit you further and further.
Considering the UFC is trying to disban fighters on TrT, I'd say Dana White would agree with me.
He doesn't think it's fair to have two fighters fight unless its there natural hormones.
Also what difference would it make if their hormone levels are the same? In your book your saying it doesn't, so why can't a F2M fighter with the same amount a testorone as her male counter part fighter have a disadvantage. In your book they wouldn't but I bet they lose. Same thing with the M2F fighter but with opposite results.
When you grow up with hormones for that long there will be residual advantages in fighting, no matter how long you wait.
...When people fail at reading comprehension and insist on arguing out of their ass...
Der, straight up fact here. I've passed human physiology, endocrinology, biochemistry classes and the national boards associated with them also they were my highest scores.
But I'm sure your the expert with that one exercise physiology class you took for your coaching endorsement like me.
I'll let you guys debate, I've stated enough and feel better after hearing Dana Whites thoughts on the matter
Lmao, and the continuation of attempts to discredit me continue. Keep up those ad hominems.
You know nothing about what I know and classes I've taken, so that part is disregarded from the start. From your complete lack of knowledge on this and every other human physiology or otherwise related subject you've tried to form a halfway decent or logical response for, I'd say it's safe to say you either didn't take those classes or you didn't learn much.
Have fun running away from the topic you started because you were proved wrong if not by me, JWolf.
This post was edited by derHawkeye 13 months ago
Meh, they are all man women anyways. I'm sure that most would like the chance to prove themselves so I don't care.
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