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I got to get my mind off this. See you guys later.
20 kids dead (18 at the school, 2 at the hospital), 6 teachers/administrators, 1 dead at his house, and the piece of shit who did this.
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On top of all of this, apparently a guy from New Jersey with the same name was mistaken as the shooter and has been getting his facebook blown up and is getting harassed.
God damn man.... I can't tell you how bad this has got me feeling. So so very much sadness. These kids were freaking babies yet! Kindergartners... It's absolutely as innocent as it gets. Just little people. Learning the alphabet and finger painting. Not a care in the world.
Police leading kids out of the school asking them close close their eyes and hold hands so they wouldn't have to see anything??? My heart is breaking.
Closets full of wrapped presents that won't be opened......
A whole class of kids. Gone.
Just unreal. How broken of a person do you have to be? This is the world we live in now huh?
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This scares and angers me greatly. My wife is a teacher. She shouldn't have to fear going to work. She shouldn't have to carry a firearm in her class to keep them safe (without any guarantee that would make any difference in a chaotic situation). I hate how sick some in our society have become.
I don't believe in hell, so I wish this guy would have survived to be disemboweled and drawn and quartered. Go renaissance on his ass. There is no amount of pain and torture that sick f**k did not deserve.
Extremely sickening, Idk if I ever felt like crying about a bunch of people I don't know before. Maybe I have, but I don't remember any time, maybe I felt this way 9/11. And not that I didn't feel for any of the other senseless shootings, but the thing that really gets me about this, is that they are just tiny kids.
I saw a picture of kids being lead out by a police officer, and it really did break my heart to think about what happened to those kids.
Been thinking about this a lot today. Absolutely unreal.
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I felt the same way, it's obviously not something I laugh about, but it doesn't usually bother me when I hear of shootings like this. No one should be afraid of going to school whether they are teachers or kids and parents shouldn't fear sending their kids to school. I hope this is what finally get's people to work together to work on some collectively on some issues to actually better America, I'm not talking about strict gun control because there's problems with doing that, but we need to do a better job of keeping people safe and a better job of identifying and helping troubled people. Change is needed, but it has to be done right and with the focus of providing more safety and help to those who need it.
my wife is a teacher. its time to ban guns in the country. screw the constitution.
I think we'd all appreciate it if we could keep politics out of this discussion.
Unfortunately that's too radical of an approach. There are too many radicals out there in groups like the NRA and smaller paramilitary type organizations in this nation who would only dare the government to try and come take their weapons away similar to Waco back in the 90's. The only real way to go about this is to take a step-by-step approach and "ween" people off of guns, start with limiting the size of clips/amount of ammo you can legally buy, then go to what calibers and how much power your gun can have, etc. Just simply taking guns away would do nothing but lead to a 2nd Civil War and that's not what we need right now.
I'll stop now though so this doesn't start getting political.
I've been reading message boards and other sites about this for 4 hours and just need to stop. Granted I have nieces and nephews this age, but if this made me as a non-parent as numb as it has, I can't imagine how parents everywhere feel.
I don't know what needs to change and I haven't been in a school in 5 years, but I used to work in different schools nearly everyday all over the country, and I was always amazed at how easy it was to just walk right into most of them and walk around.
I always thought I wouldn't be happy if my kid went to school there.
This is so sad. I can't even stop thinking about these kids. I just think of my five year old who has no idea an adult would ever want to harm a child. It would be sad if they were seniors too but they are so little I just can't even wrap my head around it.
I know everyone hates the guy that did this. And rightfully so. But nobody every really talks about mental health. In fact it's often thought that going to see a psychologist is a weakness. It's really not encouraged are thought of as a good thing. I mean the guy that did this had some serious problems. I think we can all see that. Maybe if he felt better about getting help this could have been avoided. I know you can't stop every nut job. But it seems this kind of thing is happening way too much. I don't know.
Good post. The arguments shouldn't be about guns, but it should be about getting people the mental health help that they need. People will always be able to get guns if they want them bad enough, not exactly the same deal w/ mental help. Like you said, sometimes it's "frowned upon" or like you said, a weakness, for going to see a pyschologist or anything like one.
Wow. I just got off the phone with a gentlemen that works for my company out in the DC area. His best friend lost his son in that shooting today.
I'm drunk and I can still feel this pain. I cried at lunch while at work today. I went out with my coworkers because it is an annual planned event for us all to get together before Christmas, and it was the topic of conversation. All I could do was slam beers and drink shots. I came home and I cried. My youngest son stopped by and I hugged him and told him I loved him. Then his older brother came by and I hugged him and told him how much this event hurt me personally, and that I loved him too. I didn't want my kids to ever forget that. I am so depressed that I feel guilty for even trying to have a good time. BTW. To everyone here at VOTHOT, I love you guys.
Good post. Upvoted.
That's horrible. Small world...
It really is. And a messed up world.
No one would deny that.
This is true. One of my friends is in the National Guard and has a 2 year old boy IIRC, 3 years older and in a different state and he could've been among the victims. He posted something about being confused because he signed up to protect the country, but he didn't know what to do when the people he's protecting are doing stuff like this. I told him 2 things that I'll sum up here: 1. raise your kid right and take interest in his life so he always know you're there for him and 2. to pay attention and recognize when people are having problems. It's not ok to simply ignore them anymore because that's what leads to events like today, pay attention to them and if you can't help them yourself, try to find someone who can/encourage them to get help. Other than these 2 things, there's really nothing else that can be done, it's all out of your control after this.
i have been reading things online and on twitter all night, some of the stuff has brought tears to my eyes.
i deactivated my facebook account tonite. the dumb was pretty strong tonite. you can't even mention anything short of making all guns available to those who pass a background check without somebody saying something to the effect of "dem dere commiez r gunna tak ur gunz"
then, people bring up the 22 kids who were attacked with a knife in china and completely gloss over the fact that those 22 kids lived. congrats...you pointed out that bad people are going to do bad stuff...but I bet those kids are glad the attacker didn't have a gun.
i probably should get off the twitter and possibly the internets for a while and just enjoy my boy
I've been following this all day long too. It breaks my heart to see innocent 5 year old kids gunned down by some wacko. I can't even imagine how ripped up their parents are tonight. It's so sad.
One of the things that really strikes me is that so much of the information from news sources has been wrong.
There is also the situation where some news dick sticks a mike in the face of a little kid and asks outrageously stupid questions. To paraphrase, what was going through your mind when you realized that your schoolmates were getting murdered? The kid rolled his eyes and said, whoa. That is so wrong.
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