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Which would you get for presonal protection?
Ruger .380 LCP with laser attachment?
Ruger 9mm LC9 with laser attachment?
I want concealment & reliability. Ruger is a reliable company that takes care of their customers. Laser is essential for accuracy with these pocket pistols. Anyways the .380 is a true pocket pistol but smaller compact pistols tend to have problems. The 9 has more take down power but is bigger so concealibilty is limited. The key for me is too have one that is small enough for me to stick in a pocket with a pocket holster & never forget it at home while having reliability.
Anybody got any insight or shot both & have a preference. Here's some pics. Take down power isn't a huge factor cause I can get ahold of great rounds that have amazing ballistics
If you'd actually have to use it, will you really have time to use the laser sight?
And those guns are really cute. They'll probably fit really well in your purse.
This post was edited by JWolf0074 15 months ago
You should not own a gun.
I'll allow you to use 1st amendment right but don't tread on my 2nd amendment right. Also you've been a douche lately for some reason to any & all posts I've made, I say you just don't comment on my stuff & I won't comment on yours.
This post was edited by fuisu 15 months ago
I think I've commented on 2 of your posts, ever. But I can deal with that agreement.
To your purse comment. I don't want an excuse to ever not bring it some where so I wanna make sure it will fit in my pocket. Believe me if I could fit a S&W snub nose .500 I would but it doesn't conceal like that and I don't wanna rock ankle holster or a hip holster since I feel like I would get lazy to put it on & forget it at home.
About the laser. Most confrontations happen with 8 ft but after that theater incident in Colorado I wanna at least be prepared for a pocket pistol to be effective at 25 yards. Thus a duck & cover while turning on the laser could help save lives and prevent such terrible acts from happening.
Carry on though
I thought the only gun worth getting is an AR-15.
I believe in most of these incidents, with people running around in terror you will cause more harm than help. and you will not save the day.
That's your opinion and your entitled to it but I don't think you could be any more wrong. If one guy could've stop that man he could've saved at least 15 lives even if he missed & hit someone in the arm.
Or maybe praying while kissing my butt good bye could better solve that problem.... Come I can't believe you said this. It's so sad & bad you should revoke that statement. Are you serious? Really? Cause if so I'm going to nominate this quote for the dumbest thing I've ever read.
I'm a AK fan but your right, the pistol is a good gun to get you to a better one but lets be honest you shouldn't walk around with an AK or an AR due to public feelings despite legality BUT this thread is about a LCP vs LC9
Or that person could have killed a couple people them self with stray shots. Not saying one way or the other, but that's certainly a possibility in a crisis stiuation.
Wolf your response to this next question will effect all respectability on you intelligence level to me.
Would you prefer the Colorado inicdent happen again as is or would you prefer a Colorado inicdent where a guy is sitting in the theater with a concealed pocket pistol with a laser?
I'll answer it for you if you can save 8 via one life being sacrifice, it's well worth it. In my prefect world everyone is practicing there 2nd amendment right & no one but the crazy dies.
Again this thread isn't about that too much. I want an opinion on the LC9 vs the LCP.
This is a loaded question, unless you are highly trained or have at least dealt with numerous similar situations in the past, which I know you haven't, the laser is something anybody answering has to automatically throw out. Despite you *thinking* that you'll have the calm decision-making skills to avoid the panic and have the presence of mind to immediately get behind cover and remember to turn the laser on, it's very doubtful. I'm not saying this is at all an indication of you are as a person, but more a common theme amongst people, the only way to truly know how you're going to act is to be put in that situation, albeit being highly trained helps your chances.
To answer the question, I'm not so sure I would like someone with little to no training having a concealed pistol in that situation, it *MIGHT* save a life or 2, but 2 people firing at each other in a panicked crowd is not likely to produce very good results unless you've been trained to do it beforehand, i.e. current/former: military, police, federal agent, etc. Also remember, that if you kill someone innocent in this scenario, you could still be charged with murder, manslaughter, or any one of many other related charges.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by derHawkeye 15 months ago
Sine Missione -- Never be a spectator for unfairness or stupidity, argue for arguments sake; the grave will give plenty of time for silence.
1.) would you prefer to be judge by 12 than carried by six?
2.) if your carrying a pocket pistol & train with it, you know there's no way to hit a target at 25 yards without it but even if so you'd rather take your chances?
3.) Would you like to be armed with popcorn or a pocket pistol? What do you think would produce a better result for yourself? Either A shoot & hope to stop the inicdent or B sit around & hope you aren't the next sitting duck.
But again this thread is about the LC9 vs the LCP and I'm not sure how anyone can say saving a life or two isn't a great result as I'm almost positive you'd save way more than that but if you going with 1 or two what's the difference. You saved 2 lives plus your own.
Holmes killed 12 ppl and injured 58. How long do you think it would take for someone to cover grab their pocket pistol turn on the laser and empty 7 rounds at Holmes.... as is in the Colorado inicdent?
Honestly are you guys arguing to argue? Should we get redhawk in here? Some of the most silliest responses ever to be on VOHOT I've seen on here. People would have really sit around & take their chance vs hope that someone else was there with a conceal weapon and at least hit the prep once to slow him down enough to escape?
If your not going to answer your preference on a Ruger LC9 vs a LCP, I'm not going to respond you guys anymore cause half the stuff I'm reading is retarded.....
1. Would I rather go to jail or die?
Loaded question - Asking a question that has a presumption built into it so that it can't be answered without appearing guilty.
Here's a loaded question for you, are you really so sure you could kill an innocent person and feel no remorse? If so, I would be all ears to hearing how many you have killed before so we know it's more than pure speculation.
2. Idea is still completely irrelevant to the situation. I would still bet money on most, if not everyone on this board forgetting to turn on the laser before you start firing back at the gunman, assuming there is only 1 to begin with.
Also, the chances of you being 25 yards away from a gunman is in itself a heavy presumption as you most likely are never going to be that far away from one and hitting him enough times to kill him even with a laser (let's assume this is going to take at least 3 shots with the small velocity of a pocket pistol and to rule out a lucky shot) at 25 yards is not good.
3. Yet more loaded questions. These cannot be answered logically as you are now falling victim to the "Black or White" fallacy, meaning "where two alternative states are presented as the only possibilities, when in fact more possibilities exist."
Let's not forget that the pistol doesn't automatically save your life either, food for thought.
According to your own guidelines for what you want, you want the smaller one which is more concealable but are are considering the 9mm because it fires a bigger bullet (bigger is always better right?). They're both small and compact pistols so the "problems" associated with those factors doesn't really matter in this case.
1.) I'd rather go to jail cause I'm a stong mofo so rape isn't an option in my case. No I've never killed anyone but in these inicident I'd feel bad about the accident but not as bad as not doing anything to stop it or the lives I saved
2.) have you ever been shot with a .380 ballsitic tip bullet? I haven't and don't ever want to. I'm sure it hurts like hell & I'd be worried about bleeding out
3.) The nine has its positives and the .380 has it positives
As for the rest of the ribrush.... I get it. You took a philosophy class or a logic class last semester, are you going to have an original response on this matter or are you going to answer it like the character from 'Good Will Hunting'. Cause anybody worth there weight knows any gun with any adverse effects is better than sitting there like a sitting duck & rolling the dice on the results.
So my only real question to you is are you choosing a .380 or a 9mm
Guys, please limit this discussion to the selection of the gun and not involve gun control or mass shootings.
Lol yes, so another person tries to "demean" me by acting as if logical thought is wrong. You might want to read the definitions of: Appeal to Emotion; Ad Hominem; Tu Quoque; Personal Incredulity - and while you're at it, read about what logical fallacies are. Your argument is flawed and I don't think that you or most people having a gun is going to make much difference in a situation like this.
2. No I haven't, but unless you put a kill-shot on the shooter or disarm them, the threat is not neutralized from 1 bullet. The point still stands, it may take you 3 or more shots on target to kill a gunman, that means you need almost 50% accuracy or you're almost guaranteed to die since they will likely have enough ammo to miss more than 7 times.
3. Again, according to what you already said you want, the smaller one is your best choice.
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Agreed. I think someone soon will answer this so let this stay unlocked til Bluz at least sees this
I really wish you two would stop fighting. I know shit about guns so I can not comment here.
Gold medals aren't really made of gold. They're made of sweat, determination, and a hard-to-find alloy called guts.
Well, as to the original question, I bought the LCP (with a laser) for my wife and liked it so much that I bought one for myself, but without the laser. I usually carry a larger caliber (either my little G27 or my Sig compact 1911 depending on attire), but that little LCP is awesome for hot weather when concealing something larger is difficult. You will not win any pistol competitions with it, but out to about 25 yards, it is accurate enough (most self-defense situations are within a few feet) and with Hornaday expanding tip critical defense rounds, it will leave a mark, I think. It has a very stiff trigger pull and it is not adjustable so, IMHO, the laser really adds nothing for me. Check your local laws, but here in GA, a clip draw satisifies the holster requirement so you can just tuck it into your waistband and it is invisible. And you can't go wrong with Ruger - they make fine weapons. I also own two of their rifles.
As for the rest of this thread, I carry every day and every where. That's the end of that discussion for me.
This post was edited by Bluzmn59 15 months ago
Life is hard. It's really hard if you're stupid.
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