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I have my own opinions but I'll keep them to myself. For now.
Before there was space or time there was rock and roll.
If you guys can somehow discuss this without mentioning politics, go ahead.
I'll give it a whirl: I believe that our climate is changing. I don't know nor do I claim to know the cause. The most logical explanation to me is that it's a normal stage of Earth's climate pattern in conjunction with man-made pollution but I'm by no means an expert.
This post was edited by Hawkifish 10 months ago
Am I terrible because I wish the weekend was 3 days instead of two and couldn't give a rats patoot about warming of the globe?
Nice fish. That's a good observation that is about where I am as well.
I tend to listen to people who have years of education and research in the chosen field of expertise. So...yes.
i don't know if man could be solely to blame for whatever changes in climate that may occur, i do think the "Save the Earth" rhetoric is based more in selfishness. The Earth will be fine....once the earth gets tired of our crap, we will be wiped out and the earth will keep on keeping on.
The Earth has a natural progression of climate change...it start's with a big freezing of a majority of the earth, followed by a warming until the climate can no longer sustain itself in that manor, thus "resetting" itself with another big freeze that starts the process over. It's happened before, it will happen again. Now, has man made pollutions sped that process up? Possibly. Are we royally screwed in the next 50 years with unbearable heat? I doubt it. It was pretty damn cold in KC this winter when we had 2 foot of snow in a weeks time.
As I understand it global climate change through the melinia is driven by 2 major factors - solar activity and wobble in the earth's atmosphere. Now human activity is said to be a factor. I'd love to see the data that breaks down the factors and explaines to what extent humans have contributed.
Personally I think we always over estimate our impact. One example is that people believed that Sadam Hussain's scorched earth practice of lighting oil wells on fire would darken the earth and put us into a winter. While it darkened the skys locally it's impact globally was not significant and it was fleeting.
Mother earth seems to shake off what we humans do. The earth and it's atmosphere is a much bigger place than people seem to suggest.
This thread needs some Joes Place, erb, or FSUreed from HROT. All of them work in this area if I recall, and they can provide much data on these trends and humans impact. Are there fluctuations in climate? Yes. Have humans driven that beyond what is a normal fluctuation? The data suggests so.
Regardless, the things we should do to combat it are just good ideas in the first place, IMO. Move towards more efficient technologies, green energy using wind,solar, (nuclear if we can figure out how to safely store waste), rebuild a deteriorating energy grid, etc. I see a lot of opportunity here that if we don't invest now, China, India, etc are going to beat us to the punch and we'll have to buy this stuff from them. I'd rather keep it here.
Oh, good Lord, no.
The global warming hoax is just that.
A very wise friend of mine, who has raised 4 wonderful daughters and now has
about 7 grandchildren was talking to me on the phone, this winter.
People were complaining about the length and consistency of cold days in March.
My sage friend says it this way.......yeah, all that complaining about cold weather and yet,
'JUST THINK how Cold it would be, without global warming'.
'Texan by birth, Hawkeye by the Grace of God'
Yes, clearly an older gentlemen who opines on the length of winter in the upper midwest is smarter than those stupid scientists with their sophisticated instrument doohickeys and book learnin'.
Pics of the daughters?
"When two beards cross paths, the larger beard has the right of way."
I imagine it was a joke, but people who use weather to form their views on climate are severely misguided IMO. Weather and climate are two massively different entities. Our most recent "cold" winter adds just as much to the climate change discussion as the "warm" one in 2012: nothing.
I think this is the biggest point of contention in these types of discussions. In general, I think most people have seen enough scientific evidence to know that our climate is slowly getting warmer. The debate then shifts to whether human's have caused or sped up the process and to what extent. I have yet to see any convincing science either way (though if you find some, send it my way).
Fish, please refrain from saying the climate is getting warmer.
Just not true. Over the past 15 years, despite the propaganda of the warmers, it's not
happening. Simpley not, so now the hoaxers are calling it 'change'.
'Blinded by Science'
Scattered darkness is the forecast for later this evening in Iowa & earlier to the east.
Have a great week, Fish.
Per the article:
"Averaged over all land and ocean surfaces, temperatures have warmed roughly 1.33°F (0.74ºC) over the last century, according to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change...More than half of this warming—about 0.72°F (0.4°C)—has occurred since 1979."
I'd sure like to see an article backing up your stance if you have time.
over the centur
and the other poster said 15 years.
that's 3 different time frames. Reminds me of a lot of football discussions about KF's legacy.
Pick a time frame. All of them point to warming occurring.
People's refusal to admit when their out of their element and listen to experts astounds me at times. The internet can be a great tool, it can also be a powerful place to spread falsities and doubt.
My point was that if it's increased that much since '79 odds are it's increased over the last 15 which is contrary to what Skyhawk said. That was simply the first link I clicked on from my Google search and I don't have nearly enough invested in this discussion to dig for a link that perfectly fits his arbitrary 15 year timeframe. All I really wanted was for him to link an article backing up his claim.
Is anything really real? But either way I think it is more weather patterns than anything, it all goes through stages.Much like Wolf's 30 day menstrual cycle.
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