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Got into this discussion with the ginger last night. McLovin said no, I said yes. Figured i'd see what you goons think.
"When two beards cross paths, the larger beard has the right of way."
No. 100% no. Absolutely not.
"A good burn is like good sex. It's simple, to the point, and leaves your victim totally destroyed."--Kenny Drebsen
Yes. The eye, hand, foot coordination that it takes to handle a vehicle travelling at speeds of up to 200 mph manuvering through a 43 car field with no room for error. Plus the endurance it takes to handle the heat of being in a fireproof suit and full face helmet, in conditions that resemble a sauna for 400-500 miles is well beyond what 99.9% of the people could do.
Other sports that require great skill but not necessarily a ton of athletic talent:
And NASCAR is horrible. The engineering behind the car is cool, but how anyone can watch cars drive in circles for 4 hours is beyond me.
Just because regular people can't do it doesn't mean they're athletes. Nascar drivers have a specific skillset that most people don't have, but that doesn't make them athletes.
They are definitely athletes. The coordination, hand-eye-foot, reflexes, conditioning, etc. is, by definition athletic ability. I have driven a cup car at Talladega for 40 laps and it is every bit as much exertion as playing baseball or basketball. Oh, and if you mess up too bad, you die.
How about Merriam-Webster?
Definition of athlete from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary with audio pronunciations, thesaurus, Word of the Day, and word games.
Life is hard. It's really hard if you're stupid.
Just because it is a different skillset than a football or basketball player does not disqualify them from being athletes. Athletic ability refers to a physical talent that is greater than that of the average person. They must have the eye hand coordination greater than that of a batter at the plate, and the physical endurance of a long distance runner. While they may not be running, they are fighting tremendous g forces and steering a vehicle (that may or may not be cooperating) while doing this at temperatures well over 100 degrees for several hours.
So do you consider professional bass fisherman as athletes? Or as jwolf mentioned, professional billiards players?
This post was edited by McLovin32 11 months ago
That's a good question. Because while they are not considered athletes in the traditional sense, they do possess a physical skill set that is not common in the average individual, and it takes many hours of regular paractice to perfect that skillset. So if that is the definition that I am using, then I am forced to concede that they are athletes, by that definition. But in all honsety, I don't personally consider them to be.
If golfers are athletes then Nascar drivers are.
Gold medals aren't really made of gold. They're made of sweat, determination, and a hard-to-find alloy called guts.
You're making it sound much worse than it is. If someone died every time someone messed up, nascar would be illegal. Yes there's the possibility of death, but no, if you mess up you don't automatically die.
You're drunk. There are a ton of professional golfers who are just as athletic if not more than some NBA/NFL players (Dustin Johnson, Gary Woodland, Tiger Woods, Adam Scott, etc.)...
You hit a ball that is what you do, have you ever seen a fat Nascar Driver....nope but I have seen gods plenty professional golfers that are fat as hell and could jog a block. You are dumb and biased and no longer hold any valid opinion to me on this subject after that comment.
Are some golfers athletic? For sure, but they sure as hell are not athletes because of golf.
You don't see fat Nascar drivers because it's impossible to get in the car if you were fat and being light gives you an advantage. I remember people complaining about Danaca Patrick when she came over because she was a woman and weighed less giving her an unfair advantage. And you see fat athletes in most every sport, football, baseball, basketball.
I really don't think it matters much since most people dont't consider any of the sports mentioned a top 4 sport. Although hockey has dropped off, I would still imagine most people outside of Nascar fans would still stay the big four sports were football, baseball, basketball, and hockey.
So its easier than badminton, sounds about right.
Reading comprehension, my friend. As a lawyer, I choose my words carefully and almost always say exactly what I mean. My state was that, if you mess up TOO BAD, you die. There is a qualifier in there you apparently missed, but thanks for playing. If you want to water it down to a possibility of death, that's actually enough to get my point across. When's the last time somebody died from one of these other sports that wasn't due to some physical defect instead of the sport itself?
I challenge anybody to come up with a definition of the word "athlete" that covers any sport other than track and field, or possibly gymnastics, that does not also include the requirements to drive a race car, any race car, at a professional level. I already posted the dictionary definition, which clearly covers a race car driver, but y'all choose to ignore it.
Actually, the weight issue was brought up by Robbie Gordon and was only relevant because Indy cars are limited to 1800 pounds so 100 pounds matters a lot more than it does in a 3500 pound stock car.
This post was edited by Bluzmn59 11 months ago
I am not saying Nascar drivers are "athletes" I am just saying if you think a golfer is, then they are too. And as far as your concept Morriosn, to not be fat you have to be fairly fit and some drivers are former college athletes, just like golf has very athletic golfers but have some guys that are rather not in shape at all as well.So being a golfer or a driver doesn't make you an athlete, you are an athlete that became a golfer or driver or you just may not be in shape at all. By definition they are both sports and both are considered athletes no matter what I think so it is irrelevant. I just wanted to agitate Wiser more than anything
I didn't ignore it my friend.
So that was it, I just remember something about weight and her. I really don't follow racing at all.
I would imagine the no overweight people in Nascar probably has something to do with the drivers representing all of their sponsors too. Companies I wouldn't think want someone overweight to represent them.
Doesn't have anything to do with ease, I am not saying golf isn't hard, I know it is. But you go golf 9 holes or 18 hell 36 or run around playing badminton for 20 minutes and see which one gives you more of a sweat. And that article was done by ESPN and the Olympic committee so it isn't like a golfer or Nascar driver made it up.
Awww yes, I love the condescending internet talk. If you guys consider billiards players and fishermen to be athletes, then I'll say nascar drivers are as well. Do you consider them athletes?
Quit Grubbin and get to work.
I don't know why Gary hangs out with you. I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask you to post some bewbs as recompense.
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