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Whoever the new OC is...

  • Do you think it'll hurt Iowa's ability to land offensive commitments before the season fall? Will some recruits want to see the new OC in action before making a final decision? Or will the coaching staff be able to convince them that the overall system and play calling will remain intact?

    What do you all think?

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    Todd Worly

  • Todd Worly said...

    Do you think it'll hurt Iowa's ability to land offensive commitments before the season fall? Will some recruits want to see the new OC in action before making a final decision? Or will the coaching staff be able to convince them that the overall system and play calling will remain intact?

    What do you all think?

    Personally, Todd, I think the new OC is already on staff. Promotion from within organization. Erik "Soup" Campbell is my choice. His football experience and education from Michigan trumps Lester Erb's Bucknell background and time at IOWA, IMO. I'm guessing LE will be given an assistant coach title extension to RB coach. LE is a very good recruiter. But Soup's WR corps improvement has been more productive (DJK, MMcNutt, KMM, and KD).

    Not to play a race card, but vanilla IOWA could do a better job promoting talented African Americans to its top coaching positions. I hope I am heard in a tone that does not across as bias towards or against a person's race. One's race should not matter, however, IOWA needs do a better job of connecting with the inner city programs in the B1G market like Cleveland, Indy, Detroit, Chicago and Minneapolis. Kids are looking for men of character and mentors. Always helps when your mentor can relate to your background or upbringing.

    IOWA's reputation as the school in a corn field does not sell well in the inner cities. Example: Look at what Faith Ekakite had to say this year when comparing schools. IOWA, BC and Northwestern.

    Commitments come easier with winning football, period. New OL coach will get assistance from KF at recruiting connections.

    HawkISidelines

  • Todd Worly said...

    Or will the coaching staff be able to convince them that the overall system and play calling will remain intact?

    Don't you mean improve?...LOL

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  • I'll bite first. I think for most of the guys we'll be recruiting, it won't make a huge difference as most of the coaching staff is still the same, namely at head coach. That being said, Iowa rarely get's early commitments either way, I think once they see some of Iowa's spring practices and maybe seeing the team over the summer they'll see that not much has changed. So I don't think we'll suffer a ton from this, just like it's not likely we'll suffer from having a new DC.

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  • HawkISidelines said...

    Personally, Todd, I think the new OC is already on staff. Promotion from within organization. Erik "Soup" Campbell is my choice. His football experience and education from Michigan trumps Lester Erb's Bucknell background and time at IOWA, IMO. I'm guessing LE will be given an assistant coach title extension to RB coach. LE is a very good recruiter. But Soup's WR corps improvement has been more productive (DJK, MMcNutt, KMM, and KD).

    Not to play a race card, but vanilla IOWA could do a better job promoting talented African Americans to its top coaching positions. I hope I am heard in a tone that does not across as bias towards or against a person's race. One's race should not matter, however, IOWA needs do a better job of connecting with the inner city programs in the B1G market like Cleveland, Indy, Detroit, Chicago and Minneapolis. Kids are looking for men of character and mentors. Always helps when your mentor can relate to your background or upbringing.

    IOWA's reputation as the school in a corn field does not sell well in the inner cities. Example: Look at what Faith Ekakite had to say this year when comparing schools. IOWA, BC and Northwestern.

    Commitments come easier with winning football, period. New OL coach will get assistance from KF at recruiting connections.

    I think you went a little off base here. According to the Black Coaches and Administrators website (2011), 15.4% of coordinator level coaches are minorities, 11.9% of those are black, and there are even less are head coaches. I didn't notice anything mentioning statistics for minority position coaches, but that also is going to be pretty low in numbers. I don't think we're behind anyone else in this category, it's possible we could get ahead on another school by hiring another minority with us already likely hiring LeVar Woods, but at the same time you need to be sure the guy can coach at a high level before hiring him.

    I actually don't agree with your example of "inner city recruits" or Faith Ekakities comparison. We grabbed some very good recruits from Chicago (Flemming, Ekakitie, Johnson, Ward), Cleveland (Draper), Detroit (Lile and Taylor), and we've had decent success with kids from Indianapolis and Minneapolis in the past and look to be this coming year as well. Ekakitie compared us to 3 other cities in Chicago, Boston, and Atlanta all 3 of which are major metropolitan areas with populations in the millions. Comparing them with ANYWHERE is usually going to end badly.

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  • Nothing will change Kirk gives the game plan in my opinion (guess we will find out) It will still be the same run first basic pass offense. I see it effecting nothing.

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  • hawkeyebrad55 said...

    Nothing will change Kirk gives the game plan in my opinion (guess we will find out) It will still be the same run first basic pass offense. I see it effecting nothing.

    Brads right, we could hire Mike Leach (if he was available) and we'd still run the same pro style offense. The new OC should be Soup so let's hope we don't take 3 months for another internal promotion, that way new recruits and Kozan knows what's up.

    KOK was a great recruiter and I wish him well. My question is does BF take the Oline opening cause I'm pretty sure we are out of GA's to promote from within if the new QB coach is who I think it is.

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  • I wouldn't mind BF at o line coach/te coach he has done a heck of a job with the Pats. i also really really hope Woods gets LB coach he is good and can recruit.

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  • derHawkeye said...

    I think you went a little off base here. According to the Black Coaches and Administrators website (2011), 15.4% of coordinator level coaches are minorities, 11.9% of those are black, and there are even less are head coaches. I didn't notice anything mentioning statistics for minority position coaches, but that also is going to be pretty low in numbers. I don't think we're behind anyone else in this category, it's possible we could get ahead on another school by hiring another minority with us already likely hiring LeVar Woods, but at the same time you need to be sure the guy can coach at a high level before hiring him.

    I actually don't agree with your example of "inner city recruits" or Faith Ekakities comparison. We grabbed some very good recruits from Chicago (Flemming, Ekakitie, Johnson, Ward), Cleveland (Draper), Detroit (Lile and Taylor), and we've had decent success with kids from Indianapolis and Minneapolis in the past and look to be this coming year as well. Ekakitie compared us to 3 other cities in Chicago, Boston, and Atlanta all 3 of which are major metropolitan areas with populations in the millions. Comparing them with ANYWHERE is usually going to end badly.

    It's one thing to hire a position's coach, it's another thing to promote a coach to a higher management level.

    About inner city recruiting in Chicago, only Flemming qualifies. The others are from the suburbs of Chicago. There is a big difference. The long term relationships of annual recruiting attempts at Cleveland's Glenville and Detroit's Cass Tech paid off this year but not every year. Water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink.

    And some inner city programs do not allow the IOWA coaching staff recruit at their schools. I know this to be a fact in basketball. Landon "Sonny" Cox of Chicago's MLK got several Chicago area inner-city HS BB coaches to ban IOWA from recruiting from their schools after the Bruce Pearl/ Jim Collins/ Blazer for Deon Thomas (Chicago Simeon) fiasco. I believe that last true Chicago Public Leaguer to come to IOWA for basketball was Alvin Robinson. Before that, it was probably either Darryl Moore or Kenny Arnold. No database to fact check this info.

    HawkISidelines

  • HawkISidelines said...

    Personally, Todd, I think the new OC is already on staff. Promotion from within organization. Erik "Soup" Campbell is my choice. His football experience and education from Michigan trumps Lester Erb's Bucknell background and time at IOWA, IMO. I'm guessing LE will be given an assistant coach title extension to RB coach. LE is a very good recruiter. But Soup's WR corps improvement has been more productive (DJK, MMcNutt, KMM, and KD).

    Not to play a race card, but vanilla IOWA could do a better job promoting talented African Americans to its top coaching positions. I hope I am heard in a tone that does not across as bias towards or against a person's race. One's race should not matter, however, IOWA needs do a better job of connecting with the inner city programs in the B1G market like Cleveland, Indy, Detroit, Chicago and Minneapolis. Kids are looking for men of character and mentors. Always helps when your mentor can relate to your background or upbringing.

    IOWA's reputation as the school in a corn field does not sell well in the inner cities. Example: Look at what Faith Ekakite had to say this year when comparing schools. IOWA, BC and Northwestern.

    Commitments come easier with winning football, period. New OL coach will get assistance from KF at recruiting connections.

    I'd definitely be in favor of Campbell getting the promotion. And I do think there's some merit to the race aspect that you brought up. Some coaches are just great recruiters, period, no matter what they look like, and no matter what the kids look like. But with some recruits, being of the same race as the coach can certainly help build that all important relationship.

    I agree the most with your last statement about winning being the best recruiter, especially at a school like Iowa that doesn't necessarily have the tradition of Notre Dame, Texas, Michigan, etc. Heading into the 2010 season, Iowa was on the verge of taking a step up in terms of national perception. Had the Hawkeyes been able to salvage yet another BCS bowl berth that season, things really could have begun to change.

    Recruiting Analyst for Voice of the Hawkeyes. Email: tworly@yahoo.com; Twitter: @ToddWorly247

    Todd Worly

  • OhioHawk07 said...

    Don't you mean improve?...LOL

    lol

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    Todd Worly

  • derHawkeye said...

    I'll bite first. I think for most of the guys we'll be recruiting, it won't make a huge difference as most of the coaching staff is still the same, namely at head coach. That being said, Iowa rarely get's early commitments either way, I think once they see some of Iowa's spring practices and maybe seeing the team over the summer they'll see that not much has changed. So I don't think we'll suffer a ton from this, just like it's not likely we'll suffer from having a new DC.

    Just my opinion, but I think offensive skill position recruits look at play-calling a lot more than defensive recruits do. And for 13+ years, Iowa has had nothing but stability at that spot. While the Hawkeyes generally don't get a ton of early commits, I do think this may make some of the recruits that ordinarily may have committed in June or July take a little longer before deciding. I don't expect it to have a huge impact, but I could see a high school QB, for example, wanting to see the new OC in action for a few games before committing.

    Recruiting Analyst for Voice of the Hawkeyes. Email: tworly@yahoo.com; Twitter: @ToddWorly247

    Todd Worly

  • My body isn't even cold yet and you heartless bastages are already talking about my replacement? Sure I've been gone for a couple of days, but geez...

    Following Todd around since 2011.

    OCHawkeye

  • OCHawkeye said...

    My body isn't even cold yet and you heartless bastages are already talking about my replacement? Sure I've been gone for a couple of days, but geez...

    lol

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    Todd Worly

  • Alright I'm ready...what did I miss?liar

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