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Sagarin ranks IOWA #28; Lunardi is a Tool

  • As of the end of business, yesterday, the Jeff Sagarin Computer rankings show that the
    IOWA HAWKEYES are the #28 best team in the country.

    This douche Lunardi has Middle Tennessee in the tournament??? Their strength of schedule is ranked at #212 in all the nation. Iowa's SOS is #62 in the nation. So, why would Midd Tenn even be considered over Iowa?

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/bkt1213.htm

    28 Iowa
    44 Illinois
    46 Butler
    53 Mid Teen
    57 La Salle

    If the NC2A committee has any common sense, the Iowa Hawkeyes will be IN the tourney.

    hawkeyes

    Skyhawk52

  • I think Iowa still has a chance albeit very small. I don't think its anywhere near as big of a no-brainer as you seem to think and I certainly wouldn't blame anyone for not having Iowa in. I do agree that Iowa is more deserving of a bid than MTSU though.

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    Hawkifish

  • According to bracketmatrix.com, Iowa is currently on 4 out of 88 brackets published by "bracketologists." That gives Iowa about a 5% chance to make it, which seems about right.

    http://bracketmatrix.com/

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    thejumper5

  • thejumper5 said...

    According to bracketmatrix.com, Iowa is currently on 4 out of 88 brackets published by "bracketologists." That gives Iowa about a 5% chance to make it, which seems about right.

    http://bracketmatrix.com/

    Agreed with 5%. The odds are vastly against Iowa today. It'd still be awesome if they went in our favor though. cool

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    Hawkifish

  • I think the RPI is accurate when you are talking about Top 25 teams, but once you get past that, it becomes incredibly dicey. MTSU and Boise State being in? That is a joke. Neither has beaten anyone.

    KCHawk25

  • Don't forget...............it's all about the TV money from here on out. Need to touch as many states and major cities as possible, including Boise. We already have Iowa State in, maybe. If not, Iowa must not be much of a TV market area.

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    GO HAWKS!!!

    goldendog

  • goldendog said...

    Don't forget...............it's all about the TV money from here on out. Need to touch as many states and major cities as possible, including Boise. We already have Iowa State in, maybe. If not, Iowa must not be much of a TV market area.

    Iowa State is in. It'd be a huge snub if they were left out.

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    Hawkifish

  • RPI does not consider margin of victory or defeat, which is why the committee favors it. They don't want teams running up the score just to boost their numbers.

    Iowa had plenty of chances to control their own destiny. If they had beat MSU both times, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Purdue on the road they would have finish 14-4 in B10 and made it at least to the semis of the tournament. That by the way would have been a B10 title. If you count the 2 OT losses as being one point short we were 12 pts short of the B10 title. Any two of those would have put us in the tournament.

    coshawk

  • coshawk said...

    RPI does not consider margin of victory or defeat, which is why the committee favors it. They don't want teams running up the score just to boost their numbers.

    And that is why the RPI is deficient. Margin of victory is one of the very best indicators of playoff success in nearly every basketball league. The fact that the NCAA's primary computer poll ignores it is a traveshamockery.

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  • coshawk said...

    RPI does not consider margin of victory or defeat, which is why the committee favors it. They don't want teams running up the score just to boost their numbers.

    Iowa had plenty of chances to control their own destiny. If they had beat MSU both times, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Purdue on the road they would have finish 14-4 in B10 and made it at least to the semis of the tournament. That by the way would have been a B10 title. If you count the 2 OT losses as being one point short we were 12 pts short of the B10 title. Any two of those would have put us in the tournament.

    Teddy-boy Valentine ends up screwing Iowa out of a Big Dance bid.
    His faux calls in the 2nd half of Friday night's game cost the Hawkeyes dearly.
    If Iowa beats MSU, in Chicago, they're in the NC2A.

    LaSalle? Mid Tenn St? Colorado ? Minnesota?
    I think you could make a case that at the end of year, Iowa is better than over 1/2 the NC2A field.

    hawkeyes

    Skyhawk52

  • Skyhawk52 said...

    As of the end of business, yesterday, the Jeff Sagarin Computer rankings show that the IOWA HAWKEYES are the #28 best team in the country.

    This douche Lunardi has Middle Tennessee in the tournament??? Their strength of schedule is ranked at #212 in all the nation. Iowa's SOS is #62 in the nation. So, why would Midd Tenn even be considered over Iowa?

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/bkt1213.htm

    28 Iowa 44 Illinois 46 Butler 53 Mid Teen 57 La Salle

    If the NC2A committee has any common sense, the Iowa Hawkeyes will be IN the tourney.

    hawkeyes

    I honestly don't understand your disdain for Lunardi. He knows what the specific criteria are for the selection committee, and bases his projections on that. He's extremely accurate at his projections. If you disagree with the selection criteria, that has nothing to do with Lunardi. All he does is pass along what he projects the committee will do, and he's correct much more often than not.

    Recruiting Analyst for Voice of the Hawkeyes. Email: tworly@yahoo.com; Twitter: @ToddWorly247

    Todd Worly

  • Todd Worly said...

    I honestly don't understand your disdain for Lunardi. He knows what the specific criteria are for the selection committee, and bases his projections on that. He's extremely accurate at his projections. If you disagree with the selection criteria, that has nothing to do with Lunardi. All he does is pass along what he projects the committee will do, and he's correct much more often than not.

    Agreed.

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    Hawkifish

  • Todd Worly said...

    I honestly don't understand your disdain for Lunardi. He knows what the specific criteria are for the selection committee, and bases his projections on that. He's extremely accurate at his projections. If you disagree with the selection criteria, that has nothing to do with Lunardi. All he does is pass along what he projects the committee will do, and he's correct much more often than not.

    I disagree with the assertion that Lunardi is extremely accurate. According to The Bracket Project, Lunardi was the 36th most accurate "bracketologist" from 2007-2012 among those who projected at least 3 tournaments.

    http://bracketproject.50webs.com/rankings.html

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  • Todd Worly said...

    I honestly don't understand your disdain for Lunardi. He knows what the specific criteria are for the selection committee, and bases his projections on that. He's extremely accurate at his projections. If you disagree with the selection criteria, that has nothing to do with Lunardi. All he does is pass along what he projects the committee will do, and he's correct much more often than not.

    I mean he only picked all 68 teams correctly and seeded all the #1's and #2's in order, as well as correctly picked the last 4 in.

    This post was edited by OhioHawk07 on 3/18/2013 at 2:23 PM

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  • thejumper5 said...

    I disagree with the assertion that Lunardi is extremely accurate. According to The Bracket Project, Lunardi was the 36th most accurate "bracketologist" from 2007-2012 among those who projected at least 3 tournaments.

    http://bracketproject.50webs.com/rankings.html

    I hadn't seen that - thanks for the link. But I would probably venture to say that most of those guys are very accurate, and he definitely has a pretty good grasp on the criteria the selection committee is using. Whether or not he's the best at his job is debatable, but I was just pointing out that he's just doing his job when he makes those projections - nothing more, nothing less.

    Recruiting Analyst for Voice of the Hawkeyes. Email: tworly@yahoo.com; Twitter: @ToddWorly247

    Todd Worly

  • Jason Lisk on how difficult it is to pick the field of 68:

    "First, let’s talk about the RPI and seeding. I got 68 of 68 teams right this year. Big whoop. I really went 2 for 2, correctly having La Salle and Middle Tennessee in my field, instead of Tennessee, or Kentucky, or Virginia, or Maryland. As I noted last year, a monkey throwing darts could be trained to get 65 of 68 right, since you are given the answer on 31 of them.

    If you just went by the RPI, you would have correctly called 36 of the 37 at-larges, and would have needed to only switch Southern Miss out for California to get the field right."

    Edit:

    Link--
    http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2013/03/18/jay-bilas-was-wrong-about-the-committee-going-by-who-you-lost-to-it-was-the-bad-teams-you-beat-that-were-the-difference/

    This post was edited by thejumper5 on 3/18/2013 at 5:29 PM

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  • Alright, you Lunardi worshippers, please try to explain the FACT that
    Sagarin rankings, that have been around both Football & Basektball longer than this dopey
    RPI thing, has the Iowa Hawkeyes ranked as the #29 team in the country.

    a) they played in the best league in America
    b) they finished with a better record in the league, than Minnysoda & Illinois (& neither team won head-to-head)
    4) Iowa finished the season stronger than either Illinois or Minnysoda.

    Just answer the questions. I trust very, very precious little coming from espn, these days.

    iowa juggle

    Skyhawk52

  • Skyhawk52 said...

    Alright, you Lunardi worshippers, please try to explain the FACT that Sagarin rankings, that have been around both Football & Basektball longer than this dopey RPI thing, has the Iowa Hawkeyes ranked as the #29 team in the country.

    a) they played in the best league in America b) they finished with a better record in the league, than Minnysoda & Illinois (& neither team won head-to-head) 4) Iowa finished the season stronger than either Illinois or Minnysoda.

    Just answer the questions. I trust very, very precious little coming from espn, these days.

    iowa juggle

    First of all, not a Lunardi "worshiper", but to clarify, the RPI is a look at a team's season. Also called a descriptive ranking. Sagarin, along with others like BPI, KenPom, LRMC are rankings to show the up to date strength of a team. Its called a predictive ranking.

    Basically, as of right now Iowa has a Sagarin predictor score of 85.0. Indiana State's is 75.68. So thats saying Iowa is a 8.5 favorite vs ISU. Add in the 4.0 points for being at home and thats says Iowa is a 12.5 point favorite tomorrow night. Vegas has the line as Iowa -12.5. Thats what Sagarin is used for. It doesn't show anything to what kind of season they have had...which is the point of the RPI. The RPI is not perfect, particularly when it comes to SOS and opponent's SOS, but its used to show a full season's body of work, not what Vegas should use to set up the betting line for the next game.

    So...

    a.) Yes we played in the best league, but had a relatively soft B1G schedule.
    b.) Yes we went 2-1 vs Minny and Illinois...2 wins at home, 1 loss on the road. Home wins < Road wins
    c.) Yes we finished stronger...so what? We're just supposed to forget the chicken sh* t OOC and the bad start to the first half of the B1G schedule?

    Hope this helps.

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  • Iowa is 1-7 when playing against the top 25. Enough said.

    u2Hawk

  • Skyhawk52 said...

    Alright, you Lunardi worshippers, please try to explain the FACT that Sagarin rankings, that have been around both Football & Basektball longer than this dopey RPI thing, has the Iowa Hawkeyes ranked as the #29 team in the country.

    a) they played in the best league in America b) they finished with a better record in the league, than Minnysoda & Illinois (& neither team won head-to-head) 4) Iowa finished the season stronger than either Illinois or Minnysoda.

    Just answer the questions. I trust very, very precious little coming from espn, these days.

    iowa juggle

    You think Iowa is the 29th best team in the country? lol

    We lost to Nebraska and Purdue. We got hammered by Va Tech.

    FG80

  • Skyhawk52 said...

    Alright, you Lunardi worshippers, please try to explain the FACT that Sagarin rankings, that have been around both Football & Basektball longer than this dopey RPI thing, has the Iowa Hawkeyes ranked as the #29 team in the country.

    a) they played in the best league in America b) they finished with a better record in the league, than Minnysoda & Illinois (& neither team won head-to-head) 4) Iowa finished the season stronger than either Illinois or Minnysoda.

    Just answer the questions. I trust very, very precious little coming from espn, these days.

    iowa juggle

    I'm not worshiping him, just saying that I respect the quality of his work and that I don't think he's done anything to be called a tool. He isn't the one that comes up with the criteria for selection to the Big Dance. He just predicts who will make it based on those criteria.

    As OhioHawk said, Iowa's nonconfererence schedule was much, much softer than that of Minnesota or Illinois, and with 12 conference teams, some B1G teams have more difficult conference schedules than others. Iowa's was easier than that of some other teams.

    Recruiting Analyst for Voice of the Hawkeyes. Email: tworly@yahoo.com; Twitter: @ToddWorly247

    Todd Worly

  • Ok try to explain it so Sky can understand...Lundardi..err Tool

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  • Buck Russell said...

    Ok try to explain it so Sky can understand...Lundardi..err Tool

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  • Buck Russell..........apparently you spend a lot of time at
    whatever dot com ??

    Skyhawk52

  • u2Hawk said...

    Iowa is 1-7 when playing against the top 25. Enough said.

    Anyone can pick out a myriad of stats about Minnesota, or Illinois, such as Head-to-head vs Iowa to counter your stats, or Lunadis.

    Just sayin...........

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    SMILE today fellas........Hawks have some BB to play

    Skyhawk52