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  • How in the hell did they just land Spence, and the rest of these guys? I just don't get it.

    1.) the school was on probation for their basketball program and recently got in trouble with their football program, thus making them eligible for being a repeat offender and facing serious punishments.

    2.) after the tatgate scandal they got busted again for boosters handing out money. Thus really showing they have a lack of instustional control or a failure to monitor.

    So far. Jim Tressel retired on his own free will with full benefits and Terrell Pryor doesn't hang around for his punishment as promised and also heads to the NFL on his own will (not kicked off). They vacated victories from last year, but that don't count for sh** to 99% of the world. They have self imposed a 5 scollie reduction over 3 years when South Carolina got worse for less recently. I just don't get it, why do these kids wanna go to OSU with these upcoming sanctions about to hit. I really hope Meyer flops with Braxton Miller but it's looking like they get to recruit who ever they want and not miss a beat cause for some reason I doubt they get penalized at all.

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  • fuisu said...

    How in the hell did they just land Spence, and the rest of these guys? I just don't get it.

    1.) the school was on probation for their basketball program and recently got in trouble with their football program, thus making them eligible for being a repeat offender and facing serious punishments.

    2.) after the tatgate scandal they got busted again for boosters handing out money. Thus really showing they have a lack of instustional control or a failure to monitor.

    So far. Jim Tressel retired on his own free will with full benefits and Terrell Pryor doesn't hang around for his punishment as promised and also heads to the NFL on his own will (not kicked off). They vacated victories from last year, but that don't count for sh** to 99% of the world. They have self imposed a 5 scollie reduction over 3 years when South Carolina got worse for less recently. I just don't get it, why do these kids wanna go to OSU with these upcoming sanctions about to hit. I really hope Meyer flops with Braxton Miller but it's looking like they get to recruit who ever they want and not miss a beat cause for some reason I doubt they get penalized at all.

    Trust me, I understand your sentiment. Though the difference between OSU and South Carolina in terms of punishment is, that what USC got, came from the NCAA. OSU has yet to be given their medicine.

    OSU throughout this whole process, when it came to "self-imposed" sanctions, has repeatedly gone the route of "what's the least we can do?". Initially suspended Tressel 2 games. Not good enough. Then 5 games. Not good enough. "Retirement" followed. Then it came to player suspensions. Poesy's started out at 5 games then went to 9 games. They vacate 2010, while giving back little more than $300K after pocketing $50+ million. Now that scholarship reductions. Remember 'BigTenDaddy'? What did he say? OSU would not lose ANY scholarships? Wonder if he ever made it back to eat his words, like he said he would if it came down to it.

    All the players that have left Penn St, Michigan State, Michigan and Wisconsin(?) are caught up in the euphoria of Urban Meyer. There will be a bit of hangover once the NCAA comes down and says, "bowl ban"..."more scholarships to be forfeited"..&.."double secret probation". The only reason the NCAA hasn't ruled yet, is because OSU's players are continuing to break the rules. Its furthered the investigation and to me it has to further the punishment beyond the pitiful penance OSU has offered up.

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  • Yea I remember 'BigTenDad' and I agree with you on the Urban 'nirvana' effect. I just hope your right on the fact the NCAA is going to hammer them, I'm getting worried that they get away with what they did, and not only that they get to continue to move up.

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  • fuisu said...

    How in the hell did they just land Spence, and the rest of these guys? I just don't get it.

    1.) the school was on probation for their basketball program and recently got in trouble with their football program, thus making them eligible for being a repeat offender and facing serious punishments.

    2.) after the tatgate scandal they got busted again for boosters handing out money. Thus really showing they have a lack of instustional control or a failure to monitor.

    So far. Jim Tressel retired on his own free will with full benefits and Terrell Pryor doesn't hang around for his punishment as promised and also heads to the NFL on his own will (not kicked off). They vacated victories from last year, but that don't count for sh** to 99% of the world. They have self imposed a 5 scollie reduction over 3 years when South Carolina got worse for less recently. I just don't get it, why do these kids wanna go to OSU with these upcoming sanctions about to hit. I really hope Meyer flops with Braxton Miller but it's looking like they get to recruit who ever they want and not miss a beat cause for some reason I doubt they get penalized at all.

    I'm surprised they're doing so well in recruiting with the pending sanctions too. But IMO, it just doesn't make any sense for the NCAA to take so long to rule on this. I know I've said this before multiple times, but the NCAA is honestly a joke. If they'd ruled on this earlier, everyone would know where they stand, and schools and recruits could return to business as usual.

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  • Todd Worly said...

    I'm surprised they're doing so well in recruiting with the pending sanctions too. But IMO, it just doesn't make any sense for the NCAA to take so long to rule on this. I know I've said this before multiple times, but the NCAA is honestly a joke. If they'd ruled on this earlier, everyone would know where they stand, and schools and recruits could return to business as usual.

    Listen, hear it told in Ohio and its "We've suffered enough". Heck, most of the buck-nut fans I've talked to about this, swear that the NCAA has already punished them with the sanctions that OSU levied against themselves. They don't even have a clue what's to come. I am not sure whats being sold to these recruits, but to me the thought of a possible one or two year post-season ban is not out of the question. Which means no possible chance at a Big Ten Championship Game, let alone a bowl game.

    What the hold up is, is the continuing admission of misconduct by the student-athletes there. The initial investigation was for the 6 players who were found to be associating with the drug dealer and trading/selling memorabilia for tattoos. Now you have allegations added to it of Pryor receiving improper benefits from his handler and another booster, totaling $50K+. Then you have the players going to charitable functions, a truly noble cause, and receiving envelopes with cash in it from a booster. All the while they were to have been told not to be doing this. I am assuming this is whats taking the added time. Initially, I think the NCAA said it would rule sometime in November. Now its "bowling" season and nothing yet. The NCAA should have at least said "yea" or "nae" on whether they can be in a bowl game or not.

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  • Todd Worly said...

    I'm surprised they're doing so well in recruiting with the pending sanctions too. But IMO, it just doesn't make any sense for the NCAA to take so long to rule on this. I know I've said this before multiple times, but the NCAA is honestly a joke. If they'd ruled on this earlier, everyone would know where they stand, and schools and recruits could return to business as usual.

    I was kind of glad they slowed poked it... Just cause then OSU have irrelevant year 6-6, with a down year in recruiting. Not to mention an assumsed upcoming punshinment to go with it. So this year kind of was like the icing on the cake. They still have a crappy year, and I was glad they didn't get a bowl ban thus far because Id prefer to see it next year when they might be competing for something better.

    But I never expected Meyer to sign these kids, now I want the NCAA to give out their ruling. It's amazing Dunn was going to leave, Spence didn't even care for OSU and JordanDiamond was very weary of upcoming punishments but now they are back to their old selves it looks like

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  • Found this from a Nov 29th article...

    "Ohio State will learn what sanctions the football team will face in the next few weeks, according to ESPN.

    The NCAA said in their letter to the school on Nov. 3 that they would have to appear before the infractions committee again in early December, but school officials requested to review the charges during a teleconference. Athletic director Gene Smith said that the NCAA informed Ohio State that it wouldn’t need to appear before the committee on infractions again, according to ESPN. Smith added that the NCAA’s final ruling would come in the next 10 to 14 days and that he expects a decision by mid-December.

    The football team has already stripped itself of five scholarships over the next three seasons, vacated its 2010 season and imposed a two-year probation period among other self-imposed penalties, according to ESPN."

    Gene Smith should have been fired/retired along with Tressel.

    This post was edited by OhioHawk07 on 12/18/2011 at 10:36 PM

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  • fuisu said...

    I was kind of glad they slowed poked it... Just cause then OSU have irrelevant year 6-6, with a down year in recruiting. Not to mention an assumsed upcoming punshinment to go with it. So this year kind of was like the icing on the cake. They still have a crappy year, and I was glad they didn't get a bowl ban thus far because Id prefer to see it next year when they might be competing for something better.

    But I never expected Meyer to sign these kids, now I want the NCAA to give out their ruling. It's amazing Dunn was going to leave, Spence didn't even care for OSU and JordanDiamond was very weary of upcoming punishments but now they are back to their old selves it looks like

    "As with ESPNU 150 defensive lineman Se'Von Pittman and Tommy Schutt, who committed Dec. 12, the Buckeyes staff alleviated any fears Spence had about looming NCAA sanctions."

    "We believe everything will work out fine," Greg Spence said. "There won't be any long-term repercussions."

    Gee...do they have a crystal ball letting them see the future? nono

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  • OhioHawk07 said...

    Listen, hear it told in Ohio and its "We've suffered enough". Heck, most of the buck-nut fans I've talked to about this, swear that the NCAA has already punished them with the sanctions that OSU levied against themselves. They don't even have a clue what's to come. I am not sure whats being sold to these recruits, but to me the thought of a possible one or two year post-season ban is not out of the question. Which means no possible chance at a Big Ten Championship Game, let alone a bowl game.

    What the hold up is, is the continuing admission of misconduct by the student-athletes there. The initial investigation was for the 6 players who were found to be associating with the drug dealer and trading/selling memorabilia for tattoos. Now you have allegations added to it of Pryor receiving improper benefits from his handler and another booster, totaling $50K+. Then you have the players going to charitable functions, a truly noble cause, and receiving envelopes with cash in it from a booster. All the while they were to have been told not to be doing this. I am assuming this is whats taking the added time. Initially, I think the NCAA said it would rule sometime in November. Now its "bowling" season and nothing yet. The NCAA should have at least said "yea" or "nae" on whether they can be in a bowl game or not.

    I understand that the additional allegations that have surfaced may complicate things, but I still think the NCAA should have already ruled on the tattoo scandal awhile ago. They could then address each of the subsequent allegations when they arise.

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  • fuisu said...

    I was kind of glad they slowed poked it... Just cause then OSU have irrelevant year 6-6, with a down year in recruiting. Not to mention an assumsed upcoming punshinment to go with it. So this year kind of was like the icing on the cake. They still have a crappy year, and I was glad they didn't get a bowl ban thus far because Id prefer to see it next year when they might be competing for something better.

    But I never expected Meyer to sign these kids, now I want the NCAA to give out their ruling. It's amazing Dunn was going to leave, Spence didn't even care for OSU and JordanDiamond was very weary of upcoming punishments but now they are back to their old selves it looks like

    He's definitely doing a heck of a job convincing them to go there no matter what. It'll be interesting to see what happens if the NCAA announces some major sanctions between now and Signing Day. That could make an already crazy offseason that much more chaotic.

    Recruiting Analyst for Voice of the Hawkeyes. Email: tworly@yahoo.com; Twitter: @ToddWorly247

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  • OhioHawk07 said...

    Found this from a Nov 29th article...

    "Ohio State will learn what sanctions the football team will face in the next few weeks, according to ESPN.

    The NCAA said in their letter to the school on Nov. 3 that they would have to appear before the infractions committee again in early December, but school officials requested to review the charges during a teleconference. Athletic director Gene Smith said that the NCAA informed Ohio State that it wouldn’t need to appear before the committee on infractions again, according to ESPN. Smith added that the NCAA’s final ruling would come in the next 10 to 14 days and that he expects a decision by mid-December.

    The football team has already stripped itself of five scholarships over the next three seasons, vacated its 2010 season and imposed a two-year probation period among other self-imposed penalties, according to ESPN."

    Gene Smith should have been fired/retired along with Tressel.

    This all came public 9-10 months ago. Completely baffles me that it's taken them this long to make some sort of ruling.

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    Todd Worly

  • OhioHawk07 said...

    "As with ESPNU 150 defensive lineman Se'Von Pittman and Tommy Schutt, who committed Dec. 12, the Buckeyes staff alleviated any fears Spence had about looming NCAA sanctions."

    "We believe everything will work out fine," Greg Spence said. "There won't be any long-term repercussions."

    Gee...do they have a crystal ball letting them see the future? nono

    I agree - that doesn't really make sense. If anyone is completely certain about that, you'd think the ruling would have already been announced.

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  • I really wonder if the delay in applying new sanctions to Ohio State has anything to do with the Penn State scandal. As soon as that all hit the fan a little over a month ago you know the ncaa has been investigating that. The NCAA has very limited resources and a poor structure where it is not set up to handle multiple large scale issues like what we have seen lately. They have the Miami issues, Penn State issues, OSU issues, etc.

    I would like to hear what kind of garbage Meyer puts in these kid's heads? I hope the NCAA hammers all schools that knowingly look the other way. It would be nice to see what would actually happen if all teams were on an even playing field so to speak.

    Boonerhawk

  • Boonerhawk said...

    I really wonder if the delay in applying new sanctions to Ohio State has anything to do with the Penn State scandal. As soon as that all hit the fan a little over a month ago you know the ncaa has been investigating that. The NCAA has very limited resources and a poor structure where it is not set up to handle multiple large scale issues like what we have seen lately. They have the Miami issues, Penn State issues, OSU issues, etc.

    I would like to hear what kind of garbage Meyer puts in these kid's heads? I hope the NCAA hammers all schools that knowingly look the other way. It would be nice to see what would actually happen if all teams were on an even playing field so to speak.

    I see your point, but I think the investigation into what happened at Miami (FL) is where their resources were split.

    I, for one, cannot see where the NCAA has any jurisdiction in the matter at Penn St. The investigation is in the hands of the authorities. The perjury trial of the two former administrators and the subsequent trial of the activities of an ex-coach will take a year or two to straighten out. Once that is done what can the NCAA do? Impose a bowl ban? This case does not involve athletes or academics, just a lack of moral turpitude by a few administrators and Joe Pa himself. They all have been fired or will be put behind bars. The perception of Penn St, now and forever, will be far worse punishment than anything the NCAA can dole out.

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  • Can't remember where, but an article i read said Brionte (sp?) Dunn firmly committed when talking to Meyer, and Meyer told him no more punishments are coming. Which 1) Urban Meyer has no idea what the NCAA will do. 2) He's telling kids that as a fact, not saying we probably won't, but that it's a done deal. 3) Parents are buying into his "family first" personality. He takes a year off to "spend time with his family" and now he's the ultimate family guy. Nevermind the fact that he basically burnt himself out being at the office all the time and almost never seeing his family before that. Meyer is a slimeball like most SEC coaches, maybe not as bad as Saban, but he's still slimy.

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  • Bloodrazor said...

    Can't remember where, but an article i read said Brionte (sp?) Dunn firmly committed when talking to Meyer, and Meyer told him no more punishments are coming. Which 1) Urban Meyer has no idea what the NCAA will do. 2) He's telling kids that as a fact, not saying we probably won't, but that it's a done deal. 3) Parents are buying into his "family first" personality. He takes a year off to "spend time with his family" and now he's the ultimate family guy. Nevermind the fact that he basically burnt himself out being at the office all the time and almost never seeing his family before that. Meyer is a slimeball like most SEC coaches, maybe not as bad as Saban, but he's still slimy.

    You make some great points here. I agree that it doesn't make sense that he can somehow know that no more punishments are coming. However, a lot of schools bend the truth in some shape or form during the recruiting process. I don't like it either, but it's the nature of the beast, and it's up to the kids and their parents to figure out the real truth.

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  • OhioHawk07 said...

    I see your point, but I think the investigation into what happened at Miami (FL) is where their resources were split.

    I, for one, cannot see where the NCAA has any jurisdiction in the matter at Penn St. The investigation is in the hands of the authorities. The perjury trial of the two former administrators and the subsequent trial of the activities of an ex-coach will take a year or two to straighten out. Once that is done what can the NCAA do? Impose a bowl ban? This case does not involve athletes or academics, just a lack of moral turpitude by a few administrators and Joe Pa himself. They all have been fired or will be put behind bars. The perception of Penn St, now and forever, will be far worse punishment than anything the NCAA can dole out.

    I agree that the legal ramifications and the massive hit Penn State's reputation will take far exceed anything the NCAA could do. That being said, in addition to the legal charges already in motion, Penn State's athletic department knowingly allowed a repeat sex offender to spend time in their facilities for years, thereby putting hundreds of athletes at risk. I'm not saying the NCAA WILL do anything, but if they truly do care about the well-being of the student-athletes, then don't they almost HAVE to do something?

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  • Bloodrazor, many think he is far worse than Saban. He is a relentless recruiter and a heck of a coach, but he will also let his players do whatever they want on and off the field, which is another reason it is so amazing that he got the job. His Florida teams were consistently one of if not the worst crime ridden teams in all of college football.(Iowa is far far far from perfect I know). The difference is when our players get in trouble they suffer the consequences. Urban's guys get suspended for a series or a quarter.

    To Ohiohawk07, I don't disagree with what you're saying, but I think the NCAA will sanction Penn State for lack of institutional control or basically allowing one man(Paterno) to wield all the power. I don't thnik it is fair to the current players at PSU either, I feel bad for them being caught up in the mess that's going on there. It's such a disappointing story on so many levels. As for Ohio State, I really hope they get no less than what Southern Cal got, and I expect it to be very similar.

    Boonerhawk

  • Boonerhawk said...

    I really wonder if the delay in applying new sanctions to Ohio State has anything to do with the Penn State scandal. As soon as that all hit the fan a little over a month ago you know the ncaa has been investigating that. The NCAA has very limited resources and a poor structure where it is not set up to handle multiple large scale issues like what we have seen lately. They have the Miami issues, Penn State issues, OSU issues, etc.

    I would like to hear what kind of garbage Meyer puts in these kid's heads? I hope the NCAA hammers all schools that knowingly look the other way. It would be nice to see what would actually happen if all teams were on an even playing field so to speak.

    Great points here about how incredibly understaffed the NCAA is. There's no way they can adequately police the schools, and they don't even try to. The only way they ever catch anyone is if someone tips them off. Rules violations are so widespread that it wouldn't at all be difficult to begin to limit the violations if the NCAA would actually make an effort to get out there and police the schools.

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  • We shall see, but the difference between us and others in the past is that we have cooperated with the NCAA.

    Yeah, it may not be to the extent that some on here would have liked, but the fact is that we cooperated. Based on precedent, I do not believe tOSU will get hit too bad. I may be wrong, and I would be bummed if so, but I don't think it will happen. I see a three year probation on top of what was self-imposed with the thought of 5 scholarships growing to 9 over 3 years.

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  • OhioHawk07 said...

    Listen, hear it told in Ohio and its "We've suffered enough". Heck, most of the buck-nut fans I've talked to about this, swear that the NCAA has already punished them with the sanctions that OSU levied against themselves. They don't even have a clue what's to come. I am not sure whats being sold to these recruits, but to me the thought of a possible one or two year post-season ban is not out of the question. Which means no possible chance at a Big Ten Championship Game, let alone a bowl game.

    What the hold up is, is the continuing admission of misconduct by the student-athletes there. The initial investigation was for the 6 players who were found to be associating with the drug dealer and trading/selling memorabilia for tattoos. Now you have allegations added to it of Pryor receiving improper benefits from his handler and another booster, totaling $50K+. Then you have the players going to charitable functions, a truly noble cause, and receiving envelopes with cash in it from a booster. All the while they were to have been told not to be doing this. I am assuming this is whats taking the added time. Initially, I think the NCAA said it would rule sometime in November. Now its "bowling" season and nothing yet. The NCAA should have at least said "yea" or "nae" on whether they can be in a bowl game or not.

    WoW really. Unfortunately your way off base.

    First we got hit with Failure to Monitor and not Lack of Institutional Control Secondly read what was actually charged against South Carolina and Ohio State and you will notice that both schools played Ineligible players. Not only that but USC players got way more money then what osu players received. What this means is that the USC punishment is very much what the tOSU punishment is going to be. Hell we are already hearing rumors that thats exactly what the harshest punishment will be along with probation.

    Secondly the harshest penalty out of all of it will be levied against Coach Tressel. He was the person that lied to the school and the NCAA and its already been stated that the NCAA agrees with all of the OSU findings there.

    Lastly you are lost in your own world to think we get any bowl ban. No team has ever gotten a bowl ban for the charges that tOSU faces. PERIOD. Teams that get post season bowl bans get hit with LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL.

    Happy to clear that up for ya.

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  • This is your answer.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PjLkB7BlpA

    buckalum

  • Bloodrazor said...

    Can't remember where, but an article i read said Brionte (sp?) Dunn firmly committed when talking to Meyer, and Meyer told him no more punishments are coming. Which 1) Urban Meyer has no idea what the NCAA will do. 2) He's telling kids that as a fact, not saying we probably won't, but that it's a done deal. 3) Parents are buying into his "family first" personality. He takes a year off to "spend time with his family" and now he's the ultimate family guy. Nevermind the fact that he basically burnt himself out being at the office all the time and almost never seeing his family before that. Meyer is a slimeball like most SEC coaches, maybe not as bad as Saban, but he's still slimy.

    Come on. Show me the article where Urban Meyer promised Brionte that there is nothing else coming. Now I know you're lying through your teeth. Us at Bucknuts read on a daily basis that urban "has faith in the university to take care of the situation the best way possible. "

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  • Players sell their own stuff and get free tattoos. The coach does not report because an ongoing criminal investigation of an organzied crime figure and it could jeopardize his players, and impede a felony investigation--- a crime in and of itself.

    OSU vacates wins, fires the most successful coach in the Big Ten for a decade, suspends the players both the initial ones and the ones who got a few bucks for attending a charity event, and loses scholarships.

    Sounds fair under the circumstances. Be prepared for little to no further penalties folks-----it's the right decision.

    BooBahBuckeye

  • BooBahBuckeye said...

    Players sell their own stuff and get free tattoos. The coach does not report because an ongoing criminal investigation of an organzied crime figure and it could jeopardize his players, and impede a felony investigation--- a crime in and of itself.

    OSU vacates wins, fires the most successful coach in the Big Ten for a decade, suspends the players both the initial ones and the ones who got a few bucks for attending a charity event, and loses scholarships.

    Sounds fair under the circumstances. Be prepared for little to no further penalties folks-----it's the right decision.

    I disagree that Tressel didn't report it because he didn't want to interfere with an investigation. He did it to cover his own tail.

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