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Is Ferentz officially "on the hot seat"?

  • So you guys think KOK just up and left on his own? I wouldn't think Kirk would be on the hot seat but the move has me scratching my head.

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    Morrison71

  • Morrison71 said...

    So you guys think KOK just up and left on his own? I wouldn't think Kirk would be on the hot seat but the move has me scratching my head.

    This is clearly not always the case, but most firings happen shortly after the season concludes. If Ferentz had been looking to replace O'Keefe, I assume the move would have happened much earlier.

    Not that it was a no-brainer decision for O'Keefe to leave, but I see why he took the job with the Dolphins. If he wanted to try his hand coaching in the NFL at some point, this was the time to do it - brand new coaching staff, he'll be working for someone he knows well, etc.

    And honestly, it's not all that easy to build a great resume as the OC at Iowa. In general, those guys are evaluated by statistical measures, winning and impressive play-calling, so given Iowa's scheme and general offensive philosophy, it would be difficult for him to turn heads to the extent that he'd he'd have a ton of options to move on to a more prestigious position, whether that's as HC of a college team or OC of an NFL team.

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  • Kirk is not even close to being on the hot seat...nor should he be.

    suterman

  • Ferentz will never be on the Hotseat. He has yet to have a losing season after his initial two seasons. Our down season was at 6-6, still way better than most schools down seasons. We have been bowl elgible for 10 years in a row(I know there are way too many bowls though). He consistently puts a winner on the field at a school with little to no in state talent in comparison to most schools. We never develop much depth at Iowa due to large amounts of attrition(all schools suffer from this). He is the Dean of the B1G. He is Highly regarded at all levels of coaching, from high school to college to the pros. You rarely if ever hear a negative comment about Ferentz unless you are a sensationalist writer with an axe to grind(Rob Howe). In today's society its all about what have you done for me lately in the public's eye, but the people that really matter and make these decisions are smarter than the general public, which leads me to believe that they know we have a great representative of the state of Iowa leading our football program.

    Boonerhawk

  • Boonerhawk said...

    Ferentz will never be on the Hotseat. He has yet to have a losing season after his initial two seasons. Our down season was at 6-6, still way better than most schools down seasons. We have been bowl elgible for 10 years in a row(I know there are way too many bowls though). He consistently puts a winner on the field at a school with little to no in state talent in comparison to most schools. We never develop much depth at Iowa due to large amounts of attrition(all schools suffer from this). He is the Dean of the B1G. He is Highly regarded at all levels of coaching, from high school to college to the pros. You rarely if ever hear a negative comment about Ferentz unless you are a sensationalist writer with an axe to grind(Rob Howe). In today's society its all about what have you done for me lately in the public's eye, but the people that really matter and make these decisions are smarter than the general public, which leads me to believe that they know we have a great representative of the state of Iowa leading our football program.

    I completely agree that his body of work at Iowa makes him close to immune to any job-related pressure at this point. Hopefully it never reaches this stage, but what would be the breaking point for you? Is there one? Would it take an off-field scandal? NCAA violations? What about three or four straight losing seasons?

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  • No breaking point for me. Kirk 4Life homer here. toot

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    Morrison71

  • Here is the issue I have with some of these opinions First let me start with some background. I am a huge Hawkeye fan and I will be for life regardless of record (same reason I am a Cub fan LOL). What frustrates me so much is the fact that Iowa fans always seem to have this "Iowa is not a top tier program and it will never be." and we consitantly make excuses why we can't be the best. Why can't we come at this with a positive viewpoint and say KF is a great coach and he has done amazing things for IOWA but until we start acting like champions we will never be champions. If we continually accept mediocre performance than that is what we will continually get. I understand we have real challenges that effect the program but Nebraska does a pretty good job of recruiting in this enviroment, why are they so successful at it. The answer, they have made a tradition and as much as I hate their fans sometimes they expect nothing but greatness and any coach that is not competing for national championships is on the "hot seat". In the end as long as Kirk is comfortable and the administration and fans are ok with average performance that is what we will keep seeing.

    GO HAWKS!

    This post was edited by SiouxHawk on 2/13/2012 at 4:05 PM

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  • SiouxHawk said...

    Here is the issue I have with some of these opinions First let me start with some background. I am a huge Hawkeye fan and I will be for life regardless of record (same reason I am a Cub fan LOL). What frustrates me so much is the fact that Iowa fans always seem to have this "Iowa is not a top tier program and it will never be." and we consitantly make excuses why we can't be the best. Why can't we come at this with a positive viewpoint and say KF is a great coach and he has done amazing things for IOWA but until we start acting like champions we will never be champions. If we continually accept mediocre performance than that is what we will continually get. I understand we have real challenges that effect the program but Nebraska does a pretty good job of recruiting in this enviroment, why are they so successful at it. The answer, they have made a tradition and as much as I hate their fans sometimes they expect nothing but greatness and any coach that is not competing for national championships is on the "hot seat". In the end as long as Kirk is comfortable and the administration and fans are ok with average performance that is what we will keep seeing.

    GO HAWKS!

    This is a great post. I'm honestly still thinking about where I stand on this. I do think there has to be some tipping point, but I don't think it's gotten to that stage yet.

    But along the lines of what you're saying, there are coaches that have been able to win consistently in places with as many - or more - inherent disadvantages as Ferentz has at Iowa. I know I bring him up a lot here, but the job Chris Petersen (and Dan Hawkins before him) has done at Boise State is unbelievable. While Iowa isn't in a prime location, at least it's an upper-tier B1G program that recruits around the Midwest know about and are excited about. I realize Boise State doesn't play a grueling schedule week in and week out, but for them to beat Virginia Tech, Oklahoma and Georgia is truly remarkable. Whether it's him or someone like him, there may be someone out there that could do better than Ferentz at Iowa and would be willing to turn down more prestigious offers. It won't be easy to find that person, but it's definitely possible.

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  • Exaclty. I just don't understand the constant feeling of this is the best we can do. Not saying that it is KF specifically but rather the mindset of the everyone involved. When will be stop being the "victim" and instead start controling our own destiny. Why do we play the games if we don't have the constant goal of winning a championship instead of we went 7-6 and went to a bowl game...awesome job KF here is a new contract extention. Doesn't make sense to me.

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  • Todd Worly said...

    This is a great post. I'm honestly still thinking about where I stand on this. I do think there has to be some tipping point, but I don't think it's gotten to that stage yet.

    But along the lines of what you're saying, there are coaches that have been able to win consistently in places with as many - or more - inherent disadvantages as Ferentz has at Iowa. I know I bring him up a lot here, but the job Chris Petersen (and Dan Hawkins before him) has done at Boise State is unbelievable. While Iowa isn't in a prime location, at least it's an upper-tier B1G program that recruits around the Midwest know about and are excited about. I realize Boise State doesn't play a grueling schedule week in and week out, but for them to beat Virginia Tech, Oklahoma and Georgia is truly remarkable. Whether it's him or someone like him, there may be someone out there that could do better than Ferentz at Iowa and would be willing to turn down more prestigious offers. It won't be easy to find that person, but it's definitely possible.

    I've always thought Boise St. is a tough measuring stick because of their lack of competition. The big fish in a little pond.

    However, I think schools like West Virginia and Nebraska continue to be good measuring sticks. Schools without an inherent instate talent, play in a good conference (even moreso for WV now), geographically are near major metropolitan areas and football hotbeds, and each school own the state fan allegiance -- there is nothing in the state greater than Mountaineer and Cornhusker football.

    Iowa actually has advantages in that it is a better school by far academically than either school and Iowa City as a whole is far better as a college town. Although, albeit, Morgantown is certainly known for being a party school, their campus is nothing compared to Iowa City.

    I would throw schools like Missouri and Va Tech into the mix as well, but they have inherent instate recruiting advantages that Iowa will never have.

    lumuhawk

  • lumuhawk said...

    I've always thought Boise St. is a tough measuring stick because of their lack of competition. The big fish in a little pond.

    However, I think schools like West Virginia and Nebraska continue to be good measuring sticks. Schools without an inherent instate talent, play in a good conference (even moreso for WV now), geographically are near major metropolitan areas and football hotbeds, and each school own the state fan allegiance -- there is nothing in the state greater than Mountaineer and Cornhusker football.

    Iowa actually has advantages in that it is a better school by far academically than either school and Iowa City as a whole is far better as a college town. Although, albeit, Morgantown is certainly known for being a party school, their campus is nothing compared to Iowa City.

    I would throw schools like Missouri and Va Tech into the mix as well, but they have inherent instate recruiting advantages that Iowa will never have.

    Great comparison with schools like West Virginia and Nebraska. While Boise State doesn't play great competition every week, they have no business beating Oregon, Oklahoma, Va Tech or Georgia ever, no matter where or when the game is played. So the fact that Petersen has done that, and consistently won just about every winnable game, still amazes me. But West Virginia and Nebraska are both in very similar situations to Iowa, like you said. Nebraska has definitely had more success over the years, and you could argue that West Virginia has as well, although I think that's debatable.

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  • Todd Worly said...

    I completely agree that his body of work at Iowa makes him close to immune to any job-related pressure at this point. Hopefully it never reaches this stage, but what would be the breaking point for you? Is there one? Would it take an off-field scandal? NCAA violations? What about three or four straight losing seasons?

    I can't predict catastrophic events, which IMO is what it would take for him to ever be fired. I will never say never but I can't see it ever happening. Ferentz is far too invested in this program to ever let it slip that far.

    One thing is for sure I will never be in this crowdlynchmob

    Boonerhawk

  • Boonerhawk said...

    I can't predict catastrophic events, which IMO is what it would take for him to ever be fired. I will never say never but I can't see it ever happening. Ferentz is far too invested in this program to ever let it slip that far.

    One thing is for sure I will never be in this crowdlynchmob

    I gotcha, thanks for your input.

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    Todd Worly