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Hawkeyes not done in Texas

  • http://iowa.247sports.com/Article/Iowa-looking-to-add-another-quarterback-from-Texas-74382

    With one 2013 quarterback already in the fold, the Hawkeyes are still heavily pursuing another signal-caller from Texas. Click inside for more.

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  • Hmmm. A bit of a head scratcher.

    oldgoldhawk

  • Webb let me know that he plans to make his final decision by July at the latest. If Texas Tech offers, I wouldn't be surprised to see him commit shortly thereafter. The key for Iowa in that case would be if the Hawkeyes could get him to visit Iowa City before deciding.

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  • oldgoldhawk said...

    Hmmm. A bit of a head scratcher.

    In what sense?

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  • Todd Worly said...

    In what sense?

    We told Shimonek it was first come, first served, but we told Webb, we'd take two, if the second was him. Does that mean if Webb had committed first, we would have withdrawn the offer to Shimonek? Or were we planning to take 2 QB's all along? And if so, does that mean that Davis has concerns about the QB's we have on campus and coming in this fall? Apparently, we don't see Shimonek and Webb as equal and that doesn't jive with what Shimonek and his coach reported Davis as saying to them.

    oldgoldhawk

  • I don't understand why we're looking at another QB days after getting a QB commit. From a pure numbers standpoint, and without having seen either on film as of yet, it seems like Shimonek is the accurate QB without a big arm and Webb is less accurate but a stronger arm. Not to be overly critical, but not having "one" guy is what led to some of the problems in Greg Davis' last few years at Texas and is still haunting them today.

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  • oldgoldhawk said...

    We told Shimonek it was first come, first served, but we told Webb, we'd take two, if the second was him. Does that mean if Webb had committed first, we would have withdrawn the offer to Shimonek? Or were we planning to take 2 QB's all along? And if so, does that mean that Davis has concerns about the QB's we have on campus and coming in this fall? Apparently, we don't see Shimonek and Webb as equal and that doesn't jive with what Shimonek and his coach reported Davis as saying to them.

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  • I haven't seen articles that indicate that Iowa told Shimonek he would be the only QB they take. Maybe I missed it; if so, someone please link. I've seen two articles on here that say Iowa offered Shimonek, but don't see his saying he'd be the only QB.

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  • I like it...after Vandy we really have no idea what we got. Why pass up on a QB if you think he has a really big upside?

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  • thejumper5 said...

    I haven't seen articles that indicate that Iowa told Shimonek he would be the only QB they take. Maybe I missed it; if so, someone please link. I've seen two articles on here that say Iowa offered Shimonek, but don't see his saying he'd be the only QB.

    Rivals and Scout both reported this. Specifically, Shimonek was told that Iowa had two offers out to TX QB's and whoever committed first would get it. The implication was that whoever didn't commit would have his offer withdrawn. Taking 2 QB's in this class suggests to me that Davis is not impressed with Rudock.

    oldgoldhawk

  • derHawkeye said...

    I don't understand why we're looking at another QB days after getting a QB commit. From a pure numbers standpoint, and without having seen either on film as of yet, it seems like Shimonek is the accurate QB without a big arm and Webb is less accurate but a stronger arm. Not to be overly critical, but not having "one" guy is what led to some of the problems in Greg Davis' last few years at Texas and is still haunting them today.

    Uhh...not trying to argue here, but Shimonek does have a big arm...his problem is his technique at times, such as throwing off his back foot. He'll look like he doesn't have the arm strength cuz he will take something off depending on the throw. Those passes seem to get wobbly. Again, that's a technique issue. Hes doing something differently in his release. But this kid does have a big arm. Its his speed that kills me...LOL

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  • oldgoldhawk said...

    Rivals and Scout both reported this. Specifically, Shimonek was told that Iowa had two offers out to TX QB's and whoever committed first would get it. The implication was that whoever didn't commit would have his offer withdrawn. Taking 2 QB's in this class suggests to me that Davis is not impressed with Rudock.

    Thanks. In that case, it could always be that Davis was misunderstood by one or both of Shimonek and Webb. Or it could be that he told each of them what they needed to know and they both needed to know something different. Wouldn't be the first time that's happened in the history of football recruiting.

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  • oldgoldhawk said...

    Rivals and Scout both reported this. Specifically, Shimonek was told that Iowa had two offers out to TX QB's and whoever committed first would get it. The implication was that whoever didn't commit would have his offer withdrawn. Taking 2 QB's in this class suggests to me that Davis is not impressed with Rudock.

    I very much doubt that the problem is Rudock. He and Sokol will battle it out next spring over who will be the starter over the next 2 years. It may be true that Davis isn't exactly sold on Beathard though.

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  • OhioHawk07 said...

    Uhh...not trying to argue here, but Shimonek does have a big arm...his problem is his technique at times, such as throwing off his back foot. He'll look like he doesn't have the arm strength cuz he will take something off depending on the throw. Those passes seem to get wobbly. Again, that's a technique issue. Hes doing something differently in his release. But this kid does have a big arm. Its his speed that kills me...LOL

    Please re-read second sentence of my quote where I say I haven't seen film of either one yet.

    This post was edited by derHawkeye on 5/20/2012 at 6:12 PM

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  • derHawkeye said...

    Please re-read second sentence of my quote where I say I haven't seen film of either one yet.

    Well...I have short attention span...[translation]=don't write so many words lol

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  • derHawkeye said...

    I don't understand why we're looking at another QB days after getting a QB commit. From a pure numbers standpoint, and without having seen either on film as of yet, it seems like Shimonek is the accurate QB without a big arm and Webb is less accurate but a stronger arm. Not to be overly critical, but not having "one" guy is what led to some of the problems in Greg Davis' last few years at Texas and is still haunting them today.

    I'm still a little undecided on this. If Iowa is looking to take a second quarterback just to have another quarterback, then I don't disagree at all. But if Iowa thinks Webb is a franchise type of quarterback, then I think it makes sense to take him, no matter what other needs/holes are still there. And for Coach Davis to say that he's the only other quarterback Iowa would still take seems to indicate that the Hawkeyes are extremely high on him. They obviously have to be right in their evaluation, but if they are, I agree with this approach.

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  • oldgoldhawk said...

    Rivals and Scout both reported this. Specifically, Shimonek was told that Iowa had two offers out to TX QB's and whoever committed first would get it. The implication was that whoever didn't commit would have his offer withdrawn. Taking 2 QB's in this class suggests to me that Davis is not impressed with Rudock.

    Not saying this is incorrect, but that's not what Shimonek told me.

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  • derHawkeye said...

    It may be true that Davis isn't exactly sold on Beathard though.

    That would make sense if we took two QB's next year, but Beathard hasn't even stepped foot on campus.

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  • With a limited number of scholarships available this year, and having taken two QBs in the last class, it doesn't make a lot of sense to take two QBs this year with spots at a premium.

    lumuhawk

  • lumuhawk said...

    With a limited number of scholarships available this year, and having taken two QBs in the last class, it doesn't make a lot of sense to take two QBs this year with spots at a premium.

    It only makes sense if Davis isn't sold on the young QB talent we have on campus, mainly Rudock. Sokol is an upper clansman, so I don't include him and Beathardt isn't on campus yet, so I don't see how Davis could really know what he has there. But he has had a good look at Rudock now. The other reason could be that he sees Webb as just too good a talent to pass on. If that's the case, it seems odd we would take Shimonek's commitment before we knew what Webb was going to do.

    oldgoldhawk

  • lumuhawk said...

    With a limited number of scholarships available this year, and having taken two QBs in the last class, it doesn't make a lot of sense to take two QBs this year with spots at a premium.

    I agree with you from a numbers standpoint. The way Iowa's approach here makes sense to me is if you think about it from an NFL team's perspective. Let's say you've got a very good starting quarterback already in the fold, but he's probably not a future Hall of Famer. And let's say the next Peyton Manning/John Elway is available when it's your turn to pick in the draft. You may have other holes to fill, but if you're that high on a particular quarterback, it's tough to turn him down no matter what else you have/don't have on your current roster. So my impression here with Webb is that Iowa is just extremely high on him, and the Hawkeyes have therefore decided to take him no matter what. Assuming he's that good, then I like this approach.

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  • oldgoldhawk said...

    It only makes sense if Davis isn't sold on the young QB talent we have on campus, mainly Rudock. Sokol is an upper clansman, so I don't include him and Beathardt isn't on campus yet, so I don't see how Davis could really know what he has there. But he has had a good look at Rudock now. The other reason could be that he sees Webb as just too good a talent to pass on. If that's the case, it seems odd we would take Shimonek's commitment before we knew what Webb was going to do.

    I don't think this is necessarily an indictment of Beathard, Rudock or Sokol. I think it's more that Iowa is just extremely high on Webb.

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  • I guess what is puzzling to this uninformed fan, is that there's little out there to suggest that others see Webb as this great talent. True, Indiana has offered and Texas Tech is interested, but they haven't offered and none of the recruiting services, 247, Rivals, Scout, ESPN seem to have any information about him. Davis' track record certainly suggests he knows QB talent when he sees it, it just seems odd to me that there's so little collaborating information on Webb. Correct me, please, Todd, if I'm wrong, but I would think that QB would be just about hardest position for a talented HS player to be a true sleeper. It seems like that position is the most scrutinized.

    oldgoldhawk

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