Voice of the Hawkeyes Board

By the way he was ticketed for a small amount of refer. He wasn't dealing it, and it's 2012 some 50 years later from those propaganda 'refer madness' films, Pot does not equal cocaine.

He wasn't arrested for a battery, assault, theft, DUI, vandalism, rape, molestation, or obstruction. He was ticketed for a victimless crime.

Look up some questionable recruits compared to ours. I'd rather have Garmon who got ticketed for the purple stinky punch than OSU's linemen they continued to recruit & signed that cornered 14 year old girls & molested them as a 300lb senior.

I have already stated that I think we are blowing this out of proportion. I have to think Kirk knows a little about players using grass. I trust him not to make too much of this. For what its worth, take into account that pot found a car with multiple people present could be anyones. Someone may have dropped it in the car when the cops stopped them. Garmon may not have known it was there.

Kirk will need to get things clarified before he reacts. I think we should all bide our time and see what comes out. And by the way, I agree with fuisu's post that pot is not what it used to be. I realize that Kirk still needs to set the borders for his team but Garmon has not even set foot on campus. I think, U-2, that already seeing this as a "red flag" is to needlessly label and lose sight of the context...

A red flag it is, none-the-less.... hopefully a short-lived one.... hopefully more of a yellow caution flag.

Methinks we're giving this subject so much ink because we all expected Garmon to step in answer some questions for our running back situation. We "needed" this not to happen, but it did.

Actually, it doesn't make a tinker's damn what we think about using grass, as it relates to Garmon. You don't get to make up the rules after the fact. He made a poor decision doing it in his car... a car not properly registered... on a weekend night.... he might as well put that "red flag" on his hood.

Let's face it... even if MJ gets legalized, it's still going to be under the same "penalty" as booze, when it comes to driving under the influence....

Hopefully, by game two, this will all be a memory from the past....

It's interesting that we make excuses and say it's "ok" for people to make poor choices and do things that are illegal. Yes, people smoke weed. Yes, famous athletes and famous people do it, partly because they can afford to do it. Yes, there are harder drugs and people who have done worse things and are still professional athletes or are famous and are doing quite well.

I'm sure you've gotten to know the kid and he was very nice, as too was his coach. I get that.

But, people can also put on an act to be one way when they have to, then turn around and be completely different.

I just don't like that fact that this kid was days from reporting to Iowa City for summer training on a D-1 football scholarship. One would think this kid would be focusing on getting stronger, faster, and better instead of driving around smoking pot, which I don't care what argument people make, is illegal.

His mindset is not where it needs to be and he's already in trouble with the law, does an illegal drug (only pot that we know of) and hadn't even stepped foot onto the campus yet.

But, I also understand the argument that because OTHER ATHLETES AND FAMOUS PEOPLE CAN DO IT, and get away with it, it makes it ok.

I don't think anyone is saying "because other people do it, it's ok" or "it's just weed, it's ok," that's what you don't seem to understand here. We're just trying to make the case for people like you to not crucify Garmon because of whatever you THINK happened. The fact is none of us really know, nor will we every know most likely, the only thing we're ever going to know is to what extent Kirk Ferentz feels this needs to be punished, if it's a quarter or a half-game suspension or even no suspension for that matter, Garmon probably didn't up as bad as you're making it sound. If Garmon gets a 2 game suspension, the opposite can be concluded in that he probably did up big time. But don't crucify the kid until we have a punishment to judge his fault in this. Sure, in a perfect world the kids would be staying out of trouble but stop being unreasonable, I'm 2 years older than Garmon and I still make a fair amount of stupid mistakes myself. If you want to get mad at a kid, get mad at the idiots SELLING drugs, or the idiots robbing people while on sport scholarships or not on them, it doesn't matter.

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U2, you elaborated my feelings very well and beyond.

In the bad news thread there were two posts about him being citing his truancy from school. Can those that know about this provide the source of that? If its true, KF might not have a say about his scholarship.

"This decision would be made in the same office that decided to freeze out Marcus Coker."

http://thegazette.com/2012/06/07/report-garmon-arrested-in-erie/

Next Frosh in: Barkley Hill!

Funny in the Albert Gary thread you didn't say anything about how ISU might keep a guy that is a two time felony other than mention Dana Brown but when Garmon gets a citation for a victimless crime and skips class 3x's his senior year(which is 80% less than what I skipped as a senior) you happen to be very opinionated on him not being worthy of a schollie.

as we think about this, the bright red flag comes from the truancy sequence. getting busted with a little pot might be cast as the bad luck result of only one bad decision.(i know many of you want to believe this.) being cited for truancy requires a series of bad choices--repeatedly choosing not to go to school--not to mention inattention to procedural warnings before the court gets involved. in penn, after 3 unexcused absences the students/parents get a letter seeking an attendance plan. court isn't the usual next move according to the online penn truancy faq's.

it looks like gg ran thru this sequence twice then got his license suspended--which can be part of a truancy penalty in penn--. and then he kept driving. guys, this is quite a string of bad choices--not a single knucklehead move. so yeah, i see a red flag. honestly, i'm more bothered by the pattern of ignoring consequences than the weed, tho.

here is an info site: http://www.elc-pa.org/pubs/downloads2010/SchoolAttendanceandTruancyPA12-08A.pdf

School Interest Offer Visit Recruited by
Iowa COMMITTED (01/03/2012) Offered 10/14/2011 Lester Erb
Arizona St. None Offered None
Arkansas None Offered 12/16/2011
Buffalo None Offered None
Cincinnati None Offered None
Connecticut None Offered None
Florida St. None Offered None
Illinois None Offered 11/18/2011
Kansas None Offered None
Kent St. None Offered None
Miami (FL) None Offered 12/09/2011
Michigan None Offered None
Minnesota None Offered None
North Carolina None Offered 10/28/2011
Ohio St. None Offered None
Penn St. None Offered None Mike McQueary
Pittsburgh None Offered None Todd Dodge
Purdue None Offered None
Rutgers None Offered None
Syracuse None Offered None
Tennessee None Offered None
Texas A&M None Offered None
Vanderbilt None Offered None John Donovan
West Virginia None Offered None

Red flags must've been missed by all these schools/coaches.

Fact is if Iowa cant keep Marcus "Mr Maryland HS Senior Volunteer Award Winner" Coker on campus then no running backs really stand a chance anyway.

You guys are worried cause he skipped school his senior yr of hs? Many non-athletes skip class all the time at Iowa. Good thing is that coaches watch the athletes attendence records and stay on top of it.

If Riley Reiff can redeem himself after his freshman yr dont rule out GG. For all we know the charge could be dropped, or deferred.

All this hate is making me root for this kid even more.

Guys the thing that scares me the most is just wait until he gets on campus. What then?

Just because some people disagree with you, doesn't mean that we're blinded. Garmon overcame his house burning down, being away from his family for a year, and cancer. If he didn't have an unbelievable work ethic and character, neither one of those things would have happened. I'm not going to elaborate on this, but there are other 2012 Iowa signees whose character I wouldn't vouch for. I will vouch for Garmon's.

I honestly don't know the facts behind the truancy situation you have mentioned. There may be a legitimate explanation for that, or there may not be. This most recent incident was clearly the result of a mistake by Garmon. To what extent it was a mistake, we don't know yet. Ferentz and the coaching staff conduct extensive background research into each recruit. They recruited Garmon as hard as anyone in the entire 2012 class, and I doubt they would have pursued him like that if they weren't convinced he had good enough character to play at Iowa.