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KCHawk25 said...
I've made it pretty clear that I'm not a fan of further expansion. Sure it makes are bball conference even stronger, but further expansion continues to take away from decades worth of rivalries and make fans travel even further if they want to go to away games. Just not a fan at all.
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fuisu said...
It's an arms race and Delany is just trying to put the B1G in the best position to be ahead of the game & win out.
Lets say we add UNC & VA. Great academics, sports & TV markets. BBall conference gets solidfied as the best & wrestling is upgraded. Football, IMO, is a slight upgrade. Also as stated above it weakens the ACC who has our golden child ND.
My thoughts are we are going to super conferences & Delany wants to make sure we have a solid 20 schools, and he wants Notre Dame. Best way to get ND is to be sitting at 18 solid teams while other conferences scramble to fill 18 joe blows.
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NileKinnick said...
No one's going to get kicked out of the Big 10. Serious breach of contract lawsuit just waiting to happen.
An interesting side effect of Big 10 expansion with an east coast tilt is that the East Division (or whatever they decide to call it) would technically be a mini-Big 10/ACC merger of Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers and two more ACC defectors (assume UNC and UVA). That's a loaded potato with a lot of big markets and prime recruiting states, which could turn the west division into the old Big 12 North, which could actually work in Iowa's favor because as a member of the weaker division, the Hawkeyes would have an easier path to the Big 10 championship game than the teams in the East. Basically, it would be get to Indy and take your chances on the upset.
If the ACC starts to come apart at the seams as the Big 10, SEC and Big 12 gut it, will Notre Dame finally cave in and join? If it does, would the Big 10 take a shot at Kansas, which a) is in the AAU, b) adjoins an existing Big 10 state, and c) might cash out of the Big 12 for a shot being in the best basketball conference?
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Todd Worly said...
Very interesting point about the potential benefit to Iowa of a loaded Big Ten Eastern Division. As long as Nebraska is in Iowa's division, that division will remain relevant on a national scale. And more trips to Indy - win or lose - would make the program much easier to sell on the recruiting trail.
Regarding Notre Dame, I don't see what their motivation would be to join a conference even in that possible landscape of college football that you described. I don't think they'll ever have trouble filling out their schedule, they have their own channel and don't have to split the revenue from that, and they don't have to split the revenue from their bowl appearances either. Unless NBC backs out on Notre Dame, I don't see them joining a conference anytime soon.
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Todd Worly said...
Regarding Notre Dame, I don't see what their motivation would be to join a conference even in that possible landscape of college football that you described. I don't think they'll ever have trouble filling out their schedule, they have their own channel and don't have to split the revenue from that, and they don't have to split the revenue from their bowl appearances either. Unless NBC backs out on Notre Dame, I don't see them joining a conference anytime soon.
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NileKinnick said...
True except ND has other sports besides football. Isn't that why they left the Big East and joined the ACC as a non-football member? So if the ACC imploded, what would ND do? Join the so-called "Catholic Seven" conference of the Big East's non-football playing schools? But if they did, outside of basketball, how would that affect their non-revenue/Olympic sports? It seems to me those schools would be a downgrade versus the ACC and Big 10.
And if four super conferences rise like a vengeful phoenix from the dust of the ACC, they might not be inclined to give Notre Dame a place at the table as an independent. Not when schools like Boston College Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville, Wake Forest and anyone else not absorbed by the Big 10, SEC, Big 12 and Pac-12 are excluded.
The face of college football is evolving. Why should everyone else be forced to embrace change but the game remains the same for ND? At some point, the Irish may be forced to get on the steamroller or find themselves a part of the road.
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fuisu said...
I think if it goes to four super conferences, the four conferences will come together and say to keep more money for themselves:
'1.)Our national championship game will be a final four playoffs of the four conference champs 2.)Only schedule games within teams of the four super conferences'
They will strong arm ND to choose a conference. That's if four conferences are formed. Other teams will be relatively playing a lesser division for less dough. Just my thoughts.
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IamSparty said...
Where to start...
Do you know for sure that the Big Ten cannnot expel a member? The old Big East expelled Temple back in the '90's.
The sports that matter at ND are football, men's basketball and hockey. They pay the bills. ND already has a home for hockey (Hockey East), and the Catholic Seven would be a perfectly good home for ND basketball and all the other sports. They will not be forced into a conference unless they lose their TV contract and/or the four super conferences bust the NCAA and refuse to schedule them. And there is NO WAY UM, MSU and Purdue will agree to that, as well as USC, Boston College, etc.
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