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i couldnt agree more...im not sure where this should go either.
sorry hit the wrong button and posted it before I was done,
so edit it
meant to put the players of impact that left early
Staten 6'3 WR
all would have been RSSR's
Wegher would have been a true SR
as for the RSJR's
DB Brown from Fla
Negoumou 6'4 WR
all would have been a big help this year
players from the 2010 class that could have also helped
this would have been a better team the last 2 years
Poggi is still on team, but yes attrition has killed us, it is not something our program can over come.
Sorry, I should say we can't over come that many players leaving
First off, you put multiple guys on those "lists" multiple times. Second, very few of those guys ever actually made an impact or necessarily would have if they ever actually got to Iowa in the first place. Third, not all of those guys "left early," some of those guys had career ending injuries (or at least multiple major injuries which led to them ending their careers, at least 1 (Anthony Ferguson) left the team to focus on academics however he did not leave the school, and I know some of the others are still enrolled at the school as I've had class with a couple of those guys. Fourth, some of the guys you list didn't even leave early!
I should clarify point 4, Shaun Prater, whom I can only assume is one of the 2 Prater's on that list, and Brad Herman both finished as graduating seniors.
This post was edited by derHawkeye 18 months ago
Sine Missione -- Never be a spectator for unfairness or stupidity, argue for arguments sake; the grave will give plenty of time for silence.
hey red...just giving you a hard time.
That was pretty funny
See both points Der but most we never had a chance to see what they were going to do, and for 2 I would rather have a mediocre player we recruited than a walk on (most of the time obviously a few exceptions). We survived almost all positions but the d line and we did have a few good kids leave because of Katz, but once again hard to tell if they would be good or not. Hundtermark (or however you spell it) also left to concentrate on grades. And honestly in our system as long as we have a decent line we can plug in any half way decent running back and they will look good. So d line I would say is the worst of it.
I'm honestly not sure what you're trying to say here. Did we have some players, specifically on the DL, that left who could've helped us on the DL the last 2 years and has it hurt this team? Yes, however I never once stated that wasn't the case. What I can and did say is that very few of the guys he listed, actually were impact players and while some may have helped, there's no guarantee that's actually the case, either way they cannot be listed and claimed to be impact players who left. In fact of the few guys he listed that *ever* actually played at Iowa, even fewer of them yet can really be claimed to be an impact player, their were some good and ok players between them, but arguably the only impact players he listed who left early were Riley Reiff, Shaun Prater (whom as I already pointed out, *didn't* leave early), Jewell Hampton, and Marcus Coker with an honorable mention to Brandon Wegher who had the capabilities to be an impact player, but I'm not sure I can really list him as an impact player.
I was more speaking in general not specifically to you, even though I said your name.
if some of you are trying to hurt my feelingt by giving me down points forget it ,
those are for children. to begin with those that left or quitrs for one reason or another, still could have made a big impact,
ARob, Wegher as SR's and Coker as a JR would have made a solid trio at RB.
the OL could have looked like this
LT Reiff RSSR
LG Tobin RSSR
C Ferentz RSSR
RG Scherff RSSO As he was the main backup to Gettis
RT Van Sloten RSJR
rather than having this for a starting OL
LT no starts Scherff RSSO
LG Tobin RSSR
C Ferentz RSSR
RG no prior playing time Blythe RSFR
RT no prior starts Van Sloten RSJR
as KF has shown in the past the longer kids stay in the program the better they get and the better this team is.
last fall was a anomally and will not be the norm as some try to make it out to be.
personnally I am excited for the future as I am looking forward to what KF can do with the improved recruiting
as a true FR Wegher was 2nd on the team to ARob in rushing on the Orange Bowl team.
those two were a very good tandem on that team
not a bad backfield to run behind a trio of SR'S from C to LT.
ARob 5th year SR, 4* Wegher true SR combind for 1303 yards rushing, 4* true JR Coker in 18 games gained 2006 yards, also ARob gained 941 yards as a RSSO, these 3 players showed enough to prove they were a solid threat behind a solid OL, ARob also had 24 catches for 290 yards as a RSSO and 10 for 80 yards recieving as a RSFR
don't know what else to say the last 2 year defections injuries plus the Rahbdo incident hurt this team alot, yes I know Poggi is still here but we have no Idea how bad the Rhabdo set him back, as for those not making it here only Gray did not make it to campus the other all did. we will never know how big a impact these that left would have made as they never finished their careers
1.Dibona was a SPTs player at best
2.Getz see above
3.Blackwell couldn't shine at the JUCO ranks hence we didnt recruit him back
4.Brinson would be 5th string if still around
5.Griggs was SPTs at best
6.Semmes was a project
7.Staten did nothing afterwards
8.You listed Getz & Dibona twice to make your list longer
9.Negoumou sucked in the JUCO ranks hence we didnt recruit him back
10.Ferguson was a project and had little legs
11.Hopkins & Harrell were SPT players at best.
So of the guys you listed yes losing Wegher, Hampton, & Coker sucked. Gray was a tough loss as well but we have depth at LBer. Brown at saftey was a bummer but I think he would've been out of eligibility to play last year. As Der stated Herman & Prater played up their eligibility and didnt leave early. And Poggi is still on the team.
Players leave, it's the nature of the beast. Does Reiff going pro suck? Yea but if you got a Olinemen going pro you should be able to use that in recruiting to get another guy to fill his spot. Iowa gets 85 scholarships to hand out like every other team. We lost some good guys but we also lost a lot of dead weight, not to mention have kept a lot of dead weight. When you keep a 5th year senior kicker on the roster that doesn't play, I don't wanna hear excuses about attrition or injuries with lack of depth. Plus if we lost that many guys at key positions we should've had the hindsight to go JUCO and replace the talent without wasting the time it takes for development.
Attrition, injuries, or whatever still doesn't excuse a 4-8 season or 6-8 record vs ISU. We were out coached this year, plain & simple but if you wanna keep looking for reasons, go ahead.
you really know nothing about Getz or Dibona as both had multiple injuries, as for those that went to JUCO'S means squat, changing schools, coaches and a major change in styles, some can adjust some can't, to use their inability to adapt proves nothing and you are merely reaching, and as I stated, under KF and his staff the longer a player stays the better he gets.
these kids had potential coming out of HS and each loss set Iowa back a full year in recruiting, and its just your opinion that Ferguson had short legs you mention a couple other but the point of this, these kids would have all been 5th year SR's.
and as we saw Gaglione, Bigach and Donatel all did just fine but they needed help from other SR's and this is what hurt, a lack of experienced depth, Semmes may have been a project but after 3-4 years of learning working with Doyle, who knows how he would have turned out in his 5th year,
with the way you diss other players how can you turn around and say Gray was a big loss, as I don't recall him doing anything after he went elsewhere.
I could not recall if Herman or Prater had played as true FR or not.
and I still can't find who the 13-14 Rhabdo victims were to know how that affected this team,
all I can do is list the players that left.
Ferguson 6'2 280 lbs would have been a RSSO this year.
Johnson 6'2 245 lbs another player that would have been a RSSO.
to date Iowa has lost
4* Coker, 4* Derby, 3* Ferguson, 3* Johnson, 3* Gray and 2* Veir out of a 22 man class leaving 16 that a stark contrast to losing 10-12 players everyyear like Iowa doing between 2006 to 2009
in 2011 Iowa lost
4* ATH Coe who never got here
3* RB McCall who left pouting
3* WR Grant never stayed
3* DE Raymon supposedly left to be closer to his child but latter said he had issues with Kaz.. that makes 4 out of a class of 25 that left, leaving 21
the only player to leave out of the 2012 class was Garmon leaving 23 out of 24
19 SR's graduate, this will be a small class as will next years class, I am not worried about this years or next years class ranking because the class size have a big affect on those.. this years class is solid in reguards to the backbone of a team, every team needs those type of players,
This post was edited by redhawk55 18 months ago
fuisu only your Hatred of ISU blinds to what is happening at ISU.
this year ISU had 7 senior starters, 3 jr's and 1 Fr. on Offense ISU also had 7 senior and 4 jr starters on defense, not to mention they had 2 preseason all B12 1st teamers on defense, you keep telling yourself that KF got outcoached.
I will deal in the reality that ISU was better the last 2 years.
1.) How can you say I don't know about players when you listed players that used up all their eligibility or are still on the team? Also you said Gray never made it to campus, actually he did.... he was here for summer camp & left midway after he knocked up his GF. Even more so I love how you get all hard about players & stars yet your claming on to Getz & Dibona who were 2 two stars. Oh cause every 4 star is a stud that goes to Iowa and every two star is the next Bob Sanders?
2.) it's a big deal if you can't dominate at the JUCO ranks and obiviously the coaches agree with me since they didnt recruit them back. Athletes are athletes and they shine no matter the scheme in JUCO or HS levels due to them just being more god given talented from everyone else.
3.) Bigach and Donatell did far from fine, and I doubt they could started on any other B1G squad. Cooper & LTP looked better than Steve. Law practically passed Tom on the depth chart.
As for you AJ Derby comment, where is Derby now? Oh yea he's a walk on to a D1 school and barely completed 50% of his passes in JUCO...... Huge loss, lol
Coe? The kid didnt shine at IWCC, had nobody recruiting him JUCO wise and is going to the perineal powerhouse ISU you claim. While we are talking about how you think ISU is good, they finished their season 6-7 losing to Tulsa in their bowl game and barely winning 3 games in their conference thank you TCU for having to prep a QB one night before the game. We out recruit & out spend ISU by 3x, there is no reason for us to have a 6-8 record against them, NONE!
This post was edited by fuisu 18 months ago
Rhabdomyolisis is a very rare and *minor* health condition as long as it is quickly and properly treated, which it was. Rhabdo presents few long-term health side effects again, as long as it is quickly and properly treated and none of which would prevent a player from continuing his career.
The outcome depends on the amount of kidney damage. Acute kidney failure occurs in many patients. Getting treated soon after rhabdomyolysis begins will reduce the risk of permanent kidney damage.
People with milder cases may return to their normal activities within a few weeks to a month. However, some people continue to have problems with fatigue and muscle pain."
Rhabdomyolysis is the breakdown of muscle fibers that leads to the release of muscle fiber contents (myoglobin) into the bloodstream. Myoglobin is harmful to the kidney and often causes kidney damage.
$ spent on football recruiting in 2010 and 2011
2010 - $207,117
2011 - $307,226
2010 - $447,672
2011 - $448,777 (only 21 schools spent more this season)
While Iowa may out recruit isu according to rankings, they don't spend 3 times the money.
are you that clueless to ignore the fact that a SR team can and does beat a young and inexperienced team?
to think that Rhoades can't or won't do for ISU, what Hayden did for Iowa, is being ignorant, even now ISU has landed Lazard for next year, although that is not surprising as his brother is going to ISU and both of his parents were graduates of ISU.
but this years class ISU has 4* OL Campos, former 4* Iowa commit Coe who had a offer from S FLA. and a JUCO TE in Bibbs that Oklahoma was working on, another JUCO RB who had offers from BSU, Iowa, PSU and TCU, ISU is getting better recruits each year.
and this is the 2nd year in a row ISU has gone to a bowl game.
I know this because my Granddaughter remind me of this every chance she gets. does this bother me NO but its sure bugs her parents.
AGAIN ALL I said. was they "COULD" have made a impact this year, try reading the post before trying to tear it down. this year recruiting class rank is 44th nationally
take off your hating glasses you might learn something.
Since you are providing lists, can you list the schools who haven't had anyone leave their program early?
That speaks volumes right there.
I don't know if the original comment was in regards to spending just on recruiting or on football in general, but we do spend more on the football program.
One of the youngest teams in the nation was in a bowl game this year. Just sayin'
Also you contradict yourself. You claim snaps are meaningless than cry about how inexperienced the team was this year.
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