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1.) Player development. Our players like Alvis, Garmon, McMinn, Spears, Ott, Sealby, LTP, etc can focus on nutrtion and lifting.
2.) Recruiting. Our coaches can go out on the road and take their time for the next two commits. Plus we have more time to re-establish relations with 2014 guys
3.) Philosophy. KF's seat is hot, if you want to admit it or not. Iowa boosters will buy out his contract if similar results happen again next year and next years schedule don't get easier so if KF likes making 3.4 million a year I suspect he gets desperate and starts opening his mind to the other 9 ways you can skin a cat.
4.) JVB graduates. He started his career with a INT against jNW, now he ends his career with a INT against Nebby. He had 3 total career road wins and only won one trophy in all of trophy games. Good riddance.
5.) Dead weight. Trent Mossbrucker, Jack Swanson, Jonathan Gimm, John Weinke, Casey McMillian, Steven Staggs, etc. A bunch of 5th year seniors that wouldn't have played on a MAC team taking up oxygen in Iowa City. Sad thing about #5 reason is, if we would've cut this dead weight last year like we SHOULDVE we could've had 5 more players that are a year in with Doyle and possibly raising the competition at their prospective spots.
Amen to that
Gold medals aren't really made of gold. They're made of sweat, determination, and a hard-to-find alloy called guts.
Very good points, especially #5.
Without a bowl game invite, do we get the extra weeks of practice?
JVB no doubt going on a hunting trip this weekend. Good riddance indeed.
Great post fu-
I really hope you are right about #3. I hope Kirk can get outside of his comfort zone. I will say that I have seen Iowa go for more 4th downs than I have ever seen in earlier seasons. At least it's a step in the right direction. I hope more steps are to come.
#5 I think is the most important. I am grateful for the seniors and they will always be hawkeyes, but I question the leadership of the seniors. Hopefully next years class will be better leaders.
#1 is also interesting. I completely agree with you, but I wish the kids had more reps with a bowl game in the future. The extra reps might be more beneficial than the early off-season work out.
Thanks for bringing some logical optimism here.
i'm not so convinced about point #5. call me sentimental if you want, but i think that when a program makes a scholarship commitment to high school kids, it should be for long enuf to get a degree. for many athletes this is 5 years. i know the prevailing view is that college sports have become a business, but not quite. this is an area in which the "not quite" can be maintained. also, both the ui and the ncaa have a regulated interest in having recruits graduate. if the graduation rate of scholarship players dips too low, the inventory of scholarships can drop. if one does't buy my position based on ethics, reconsider it from a pragmatic perspective. in retrospect it might look like a mistake to have recruited some of these guys--but the mistakes--if they were mistakes--were made by coaches not players. no reason to penalize the students for saying yes to an offer.
Sorry but I disagree. Taking 14 credits a semester plus 6 credits a summer class equals 136 credits which is about 16 more credits needed for most bacholer degrees aka 4 year degrees.
We are not obligated to a 5th year scholarship to some bum kicker. Hell what would happen if Mossbrucker could apply for a 6th year hardship cause he could qualify? We'd honor it cause it's the ethical thing to do? Screw that, Iowa doesnt offer the degree itself, it offers the opportunity to achieve a degree in 4 years.
I heard a couple posters say we needed these guys for leadership. That's even more laughable. You lead by leading, meaning leaders are on the feild not some cheerleader on the sideline. You think the NFL wastes a rooster spot cause of leadership? It's simple, either you can play or you can not. If you aren't going to impact the feild of play as a 5th year senior you don't get a 5th year. If you honestly believe otherwise, you don't have the first clue than on what it takes to be succesful.
You think recruits actually care about ethics and feel good stories like Rudy? Or are they still willing to sign with Lane Kiffin, Les Miles, Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, etc? Proof is in the pudding. If you don't get aggressive on the 85 scholarship limit, your stuck with 6 loser walk ons. Its like we are on a NCAA probhation with scholarship reduction minus the black eye and nobody has a freaking clue.
Iowa boosters will not buy out KF's contract.
I think the use of the term "dead weight" is classless. No need to knock on those student athletes. They did their best and it didn't work out. They're still kids and Hawkeyes.
I thought it was going to be a positive post.
This post was edited by ThaiHawk 17 months ago
And the reason is, Kirk Ferentz has done TOO MUCH for Iowa football to even consider it.
Much to the dismay and chagrin of Johnny 'average' fan, who thinks Iowa boosters could not
Pony up the funds to do that........it could be Done in a heartbeat.
Iowa fans are the absolute best in the nation and extremely loyal to good people.
Kirk Ferentz is 'good people' to understate the Obvious.
'Texan by birth, Hawkeye by the Grace of God'
Sorry but this is what's wrong with America. Your calling 5th year seniors "kids". My grandpa was on his second tour killing jerrys in WWII at these "kids" age. These "kids" could be playing in the NFL. These "kids" are capable of voting, buying tobacco, buying alcohol, going to X rated movies and working in the cooperate world. These "kids" wouldn't even be consider tried as anything else other than as an Adult in the court of law. These "kids" have a 5 O clock shadow.
They are not "kids". They are young MEN.
Agree that there is no need to knock on those student athletes. Every program needs practice type, loyal players to show the guys with more talent how hard they NEED to be working. I've got nothing but admiration for guys like Trent Mossbrucker, Steven Staggs, who have the BALLZ to hang in and be the best that they can be.
And actually, fuisu is completely and totally OUT OF LINE by putting John Wienke in that post. He is one of our punters, x-tra point holder and was back-up QB. This kid is an IOWA man and agree that it's a classless end to this post.
Apparently, fuisu has a bit of a selective memory problem. It was John Wienke's punting that GOT IOWA its
best win of the year in Chicago, against NIU. John Wienke's terrific pooch punt helped the Iowa Hawkeyes win
a game against a team that went 10-0 the rest of the way. Derp derp derp
Student athletes take criticism all of the time.
I think what fuisu means is that these guys didn't contribute on the playing field as starters or weren't consistent enough when given the opportunity to prove themselves on the playing field. Yes, Weinke did contribute some.
While Ferentz is loyal and allows them to keep their scholarships and stay on the team, other programs don't keep them on scholarship.
Some may argue it's not the right thing to do if an athlete loses their scholarship. Others may argue it's not fair to an athlete who is better, but can't come to play because a scholarship isn't available (because it's already taken by the athletes who aren't good enough to contribute).
I agreed with #5 because we have more scholarships available. It was no offense aimed personally at the student athletes.
This post was edited by u2Hawk 17 months ago
As colleges continue to offer athletes earlier and earlier during high school years, the number of players nit living up to high school hype will increase.
Coaches make the decision to offer a scholarship. Coaches establish the time and effort mandates. Just because the recipient does not gain the coaches confidence needed to see the field is no reason to pull a scholarship. How many times have coaches and fans seen a player---buried in the depth chart---be thrust into competition through injuries and become a hero.
What's their to admire? Kid got 5 years of free room, food & education. What balls did that take to have? I'm sure a second string kicker has it really rough, laughable. Trent would've been dumb not to hang around, I don't blame him. He had the sweetest gig Iowa City.
Weinke wasn't a back up QB. We'd pull the RS of CJ before Weinke would ever play. Acting like finding a holder is hard and deserves a scholarship. How many holders are there on other teams that get a schollie? How many ppl in the NFL are strictly holders? None! Get me the waterboy I'll turn him into a holder. And if Weinkes highlight is a pooch punt against a MAC team we should've beat 27-0 than its obivious we were lacking talent due to dead weight. Also Weinke wouldn't make NIU's squad so hopefully you buy his jersey since no one else will.
Call me classless. I'll call you clueless. If your fine 5 anchors as 5th year seniors every year than we are technically playing 65 scholarship athletes while other schools play with 85. Derp, Derp, Derp.
I think there are valid arguments on both sides of this issue. No need to make any of this personal though. I appreciate everyone's cooperation.
I am in total agreement with Silver on this one.
Im all for guys getting their 4 years of college if they stay outta trouble and stay with the program. I agree that coming back for a 5th year is a wasted scholarship. Deal is that KF probably would talk these guys into coming back. Hes loyal to a fault. Absolutely no reason that Iowa has 4 scholarships tied up in kickers and punters. There is no reason for Iowa to have 3 scholarship FBs. Once Rodgers got hurt we basically had to go single back due to not having a FB worth playing. This is with 2 5th yr senior FBs. Fact is if Iowa ever wants to be relevant again it starts with recruiting and a big part of that is opening up some rides. We have a total lack of talent.
Funny ridiculed me and the rest of America for calling them kids. Well, if you're such a grown up then, use a better term than that.
U2- I know and understood what he's talking about and somewhat agreed. He can say it differently.
Who's to know how the recruits will turn out. Iowa is not one of those cheating and unethical kind of place where they force the players out when they think they're not contributing and taking up a scholly for someone else. It's part of the process. It is what it is. (I mean, Wienke was a top 10 QB that was set to play for Michigan.)
But I do understand the lack of leadership and "attitude" for this year. It showed on the field. Needed a few more Ferentz. ...You know Iowa is hurtin when MacMillan was on the 2-deep at 3 different places and had to pull off a rs of a recent 8-man football kid with 5 weeks to go. ...That's why I'm curious about the development of this team in the next few years.
3. For KF, I think the more important impetus is his legacy, which includes giving Brian a few more years to develop as a coach and see Steven graduate. He needs to change his philosophy in certain areas.
4. I am sure this year has been as big a disappointment to Vandy as to the rest of us. He did his best, and was a good leader, so I will always hold him in high regard.
5. I am OK with this, as long as it is made clear up front to players, as in "at Iowa you will get 4 years to make the 2-deeps. If you do not by the end of your 4th year, then you will be converted to a walk-on."
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