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I don't think I've seen Iowa look this bad all season. Even the blowout in Ann Arbour didn't look this bad.
Baylor has a freshmen center who showed Woodbury he's way behind in development. While Woodbury has had a few good games this post season, he got a reality check and looked completely inferior to the opposing 7'1" center. There needs to be a lot of off season development with Adam and I don't think the Prime Time League will help much. He needs to hit the weight room and put on about 25 lbs. Next, he needs to learn to jump, make simple lay ups, and dunk.
The game changer, though, would have been for ANYBODY to make simple inside shots. It's almost embarrassing how many bunny shots this team missed tonight, and all season attempting to close out games.
One thing a Dr. Tom coached team was always good at was squaring up to the basket, pump faking, and finishing on the inside.
This entire team needs to spend a month of the off season doing the Mikan Drill.
Very sloppy game tonight. Fran could have made adjustments up the wazoo and it wouldn't have made a difference. It was just an off night.
The future looks bright, though. This team did some growing up during this NIT tourney. Everyone has an off day at work. Iowa just had an off day when it really counted.
Very bad night, I had planned on getting off early and couldn't and had to watch this miserable game late. I blamed it on Knight as the commentator for the bad luck, he even wore Baylor's color as an indirect support for them instead of IA. Oh well, sucks royally now since it was a bad end for May but still a positive for next year. Go Hawks! Good luck in life Eric May.
This was definitely as bad as Iowa has looked in a long time.
Regarding Woodbury, he obviously has a long way to go, but I didn't think he looked that bad tonight. Like a lot of his teammates, he struggled finishing inside, but he wasn't bad defensively. I thought most of Austin's damage was done with Woodbury and/or Basabe on the bench. I felt Iowa's inability to score with the big lineup on the floor forced Fran's hand to downsize, and Austin took advantage of that.
While lamenting Woodbury missing another bunny another guy mentioned him needing to bulk up and also go to "Big Man" Camp to improve as a post player.
I counted 8 missed bunnies in the second half alone, the difference between a blowout and having a chance to win in the end.
"My Kingdom for a Layup!"
I had the exact same feeling and observation about Knight. Do you think Knight likes Fran for his intensity?
This post was edited by Truthhurts 15 months ago
You guys need to look up what Knight said about Drew a few years ago before you think that he was biased for wearing a green sweater.
I'm want easy answer perk, just show us or give us a summary please.
I think so, have you seen the Applebees' commercial when the other guy mock his chair shoving display, lol.
Just google it. I don't remember exactly what he said but it was pretty harsh about how Drew ran the Baylor program.
Here's one article that explains why Knight doesn't like him, but there isn't a direct quote from Knight about it. I'll keep looking though.
As wins mount for Baylor, Scott Drew ignores criticism of his methods.
Can't find a direct quote from Knight, but it appears to stem from the negative recruiting tactics of Drew while Knight was at Texas Tech.
Some facts to bear in mind:
-Knight and Drew coached against each other in the Big XII. Drew also coached against Knight's son when Pat replaced Bob at Texas Tech.
-Dave Bliss was an assistant for Knight back in the '60's and '70's before becoming a head coach, eventually at Baylor. Bliss was the coach at Baylor during the major scandals and sanctions in the early '00's. Drew replaced Bliss.
-Drew rebuilt Baylor remarkably quickly considering the sanctions that were in place when he took over.
So the story goes that Knight and Drew were recruiting against each other one time and a recruit informed Knight that he had gotten a letter from Drew saying that Drew had recruiting McD's AAs to Baylor but Knight never had to TT. Knight didn't like that sort of negative recruiting and called Drew out on it in public. A lot of coaches and former coaches don't like Drew, but there isn't really one reason why or why not.
This post was edited by thejumper5 15 months ago
Thanks guys for the answers, I ASSumed that Knight coach both conferences and he favored Big 12 for giving him a second chance over B1G. Shows why he had the talents but lacked the coaching to make another NCAA run last night even though IA played awful. Also, there were two kicked balls that weren't call for IA that lead to break away points. The reffing was okay, but the kicked balls irritated me...
Very, very frustrating game to watch, but Iowa was simply overmatched last night. Baylor came out with more intensity than it has all season, especially defensively, and the Hawks couldn't match it.
I've felt all season that if I were coaching against Iowa, I would press our guards hard on the perimeter defensively. It was obvious from the get-go that was Drew's game plan as well. Gesell and Clemmons simply are not "strong" with the ball, and I'm surprised more teams haven't employed that strategy. Both players are young and having to deal with on-ball pressure will only help them moving forward, but that weakness was exposed big-time last night. Marble deals with it better, but gets caught up trying to make NBA moves with the ball - when it works you see his confidence soar, when it doesn't he looks awkward and turns the ball over, and his confidence drops. Of course, it helps to have athletic, long, bigs backing up that pressure, which Baylor has. Not only is Austin tall but he has extremely long arms. His wing span has to be 8 feet.
Jackson is a major handful and we couldn't deal with his quickness. A Baylor poster was comparing him to Burke, and I can see that, but he reminds me more of Jameer Nelson, the former Saint Joseph guard.
Offensively, we didn't take advantage of the mismatch with White and that was one of the few advantages we had in the game. Baylor was definitely looking for it and were ready to collapse, but getting the ball in to him would have opened up several opportunities, either with a quick interior pass or back outside for open threes. Their guard was fronting White, but with the height mismatch, it would have been worth the risk to push the envelope somewhat and force the defense to adjust.
Very few posters are willing to be critical of Woodbury, but the fact is, he's going to be a long-term project. Right now, he is still very much in high school mode where he could just stand there, get a rebound, and casually lay it back in. He can't play that way at this level, period. He needs to learn to play tall and keep the ball up, and be physical and aggressive at the rim. In many ways, he's his own worst enemy. He turns easy dunks into complicated shots. Yes, he's only a freshman, but many of the opposing centers he faced this season were freshman as well, and he was out-performed in almost each instance. I have high hopes for him and he did show some improvement as the season went along, but he has a long way to go.
Regarding Knight, he is simply one of the worst color-commentators out there. He never prepares for a game, and demonstrates little, if any, knowledge of the teams and individual players. My guess is he feels he is above having to do that, and should be able to simply show up and that's enough. His self-focus and arrogance is obvious, and his comments are simply generalities about his experiences and opinions. Also, he still thinks that Iowa gave his boy Alford a bad deal, so I wouldn't expect any positive comments to come our way.
All in all, a rough end to the season, but this team and program are on the right track, and for the first time in a long time I'm looking forward to the future.
It's a fine line sometimes, but a ball dribbled off of a foot is not considered "kicked" which is why we didn't get those calls. On the replays, I thought the officials got those right. Marble was over-dribbling in each case.
Last night was just an off night.
Also, I enjoyed the ESPN announcers Iowa had in the previous games. Knight seems to take away the focus on the game and the focus of the other announcers with him is a conversation about things that have nothing to do with what's happening in front of them on the court.
Yep, it's one thing for the broadcasters to take multiple trips down memory lane during a blowout, but they were doing it for all 40 minutes in a very big game for both teams.
I think a few of us had been saying all season that Woodbury was not the caliber of player we expected, given the recruiting attention he had received. At some point in the season, I even expressed my surprise with him still being in the starting line up. But I think you're right that a lot of people use his freshman status as an excuse for his softness, inability to jump or dunk, and getting in foul trouble early on in most games. His development will be a challenge for the coaches. Bulking him up will make him even slower, and he already can't jump! I agree with the poster who said he was okay last night on the defensive end, but was embarrassing to watch as he missed easy shots under the basket. He definitely has a long way to go, and reminds me of Brad Lohas and Les Jepsen, except that Brad was faster and had a wonderful jump shot from behind the arc.
At 7'1 Woodbury doesn't have to be a leaping machine in order to throw the ball down and make his presence felt inside the lane. He is currently listed at 235, and could definitely bulk up another 10-12 pounds between now and October. He's not like Basabe, who at 6'7 relies on leaping and quickness to play his inside game. Besides, lower body development could actually help Woodbury in the leaping department, it's not all about upper body strength in basketball.
Agreed. The ball is only deemed "kicked" if the defender moves his foot into the ball. If a ball is simply dribbled off the defender's foot, it is not a kicked ball.
I actually think some are overly critical of Woodbury. He didn't play near as bad as some make it out to be against Baylor. His on ball defense in the post has done wonders for the team this year. Yeah, he missed a handful of close shots, but he was far from the only, or worst, offender in that regard. Also, even though he missed those shots, he made some fantastic plays in the post to put himself in a position to make the basket. Especially later in the year, he did a much better job of getting in good offensive position. Obviously he needs to get stronger and more authoritative around the hoop, but I don't think he's as far away development wise as some believe.
Completely agree with this. He came a long way over the course of the season, and it'll be interesting to see how much he can improve between now and November.
IMO - Gesell being hobbled over the past 8-10 games was a big factor - as Baylors guard play was excellent and Gesell just seems to keep his head and play under control - especially as the season went on. He is going to be one of the top guards to have ever played at Iowa when it's all over with - he and Paige would have been a blast to watch together - just one too many years of Lickball or else Paige might have stuck around and played bball in the corn patch.
I agree that Gesell's injury really hurt the team against Baylor.
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