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Ok the board has been pretty slow lately so I was wondering what everyone thinks about this class so far and the current state of Iowa football.
Please keep this civil I know everyone will have different opinions and I am not doing this to fight but out of my own curiosity of what you all think. Also PLEASE NO DOWN VOTING EACH OTHER. No one is really right or wrong and these are only opinions so lets play nice.
I will start by saying although I think a lot of the guys we got are going to be very good football players for us I am disappointed in the overall quality of this class, and now that basically all the guys I wanted have committed elsewhere my opinion is not going to change unless they can pull a helluva rabbit out of the hat. I still hope we land Spearman other that than I dont really care what happens with the rest of the class as there is no one I am interested in that they have offered.
Onto the program. On the backs of 2 under performing seasons and a flat out turd last year we are at a serious crossroads with our beloved team. I do think we have quality players on the roster and we did have our best seasons with unknown players but we don't have Norm to save us anymore so I hope the coaching staff feels as much urgency as I do. I don't think all is lost but if we do not start winning very soon we are going to have nothing to fall back on with our recruits and I don't think Kirk will be able to save the program. So I think next year is going to tell a lot about the future of the program and what is going to happen.
Gold medals aren't really made of gold. They're made of sweat, determination, and a hard-to-find alloy called guts.
Arrow pointing down and bottom yet to be hit !
I dont know if the old ticker can handle a year worse than this one jed. I sure hope it doesnt happen
The schedule gets tougher
None of our QB's have any reps
AIHRBG is relentless
Greg Davis is our OC
KF is still hasn't figured out the 85 scholarship game
Clock management probably won't be fixed
Our current state is bad. I don't see us being good til 2014.
I just pray for .500 next year to show we arent getting worse. But the thing with Iowa football is you never know, mediocre teams do great, great teams do mediocre. I will pray for a surprise next year
I REALLY did not want to respond to this as I am about as negative and unenthusiastic about this program as I have been in 40 yrs.( Yeah I am that old!).
No experienced qb.
Running backs barely experienced
Offensive line might be decent but they didn't exactly overwhelm anyone last year.
Wide receivers HUGE question mark in my mind
Tight end( I think CJ could be great but we need to throw him the ball when he has 5'10" corners on him)!
OFFENSIVE scheme that I have really not figured out.
Defensive ends - none
Defensive line - serioiusly lacking
Defensive backfield this could be ugly!
Linebackers may be the strong suit and that isn't saying much.
I hate to even think it let alone say it but I think we could end up with fewer W's this yr. than last. Not real sure who we will beat.
Sorry for the pessimism but that is the way I see this thing.
Really wanted to get excited about this recruiting class too Brad but I too am disappointed.
Maybe somone else can give me reason to not feel like jumping off a tall building with a short rope. The thought of losing to the 'clones AGAIN really bothers me also.
The state of Iowa football is very suspect. Coming off a 4-8 season, I was hoping for a weaker schedule to help Iowa get back on their feet. However, in looking at the sked, Iowa will be lucky to get to .500. After several disappointing seasons over the past few years, another sub .500 season would really be a hard hole to climb out of.
With several new coaches and other senior coaches that are yet to prove their worth (see: Davis, Parker), the is the most pivotal season in Iowa football since Kirk arrived on campus (again).
Iowa simply is not a program that can afford to have too many down years before they start to become an afterthought in recruit's minds outside of instate and border state recruits.
This post was edited by lumuhawk 15 months ago
OK......guess it's time for me to play Mr Optimist, again.......or, if you prefer 'the angel's advocate' here?
No experienced qb. Answer: QB experience was REALLY effective in 2012. lol
Running backs barely experienced Answer: Mark Weisman & Bullock have Big Ten experience.
Offensive line might be decent but they didn't exactly overwhelm anyone last year. Answer: Lots of talent and depth
WR HUGE question mark in my mind; Answer: Top 2 receivers back (CJ & KMM) Kmm more productive than Keenan
Tight end( I think CJ could be great but we need to throw him the ball when he has 5'10" corners on him)! 3 TE's CJ, Ray Hamilton & H Krieger)
OFFENSIVE scheme that I have really not figured out............this last one is true, imho.
Defensive ends - none ? Have Faith, Jaleel, Cooper, Big Carl Davis, Alvis, LTP; will be much better in 2013
Defensive line - serioiusly lacking ; see above....NOT
Defensive backfield this could be ugly! Return Tanner Miller, Nico Law & BJ Lowery? whaaaaaaaaat??
Linebackers may be the strong suit and that isn't saying much. Methinks you'll be eating crow and hiding this Fall.
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I think the biggest key to next year will be q.b play and w.r development, I think the ol will be good so long as everyone is healthy. T.e's will be fine and we have enough running backs with skill and Daniels coming in who has the body type to play as a true freshman. The D will be improved from last year in this I have no doubt we really lost nothing other than Hyde (which hurts) but if our D line can get more pressure that will help offset that. i do think we have enough talent as I said but the O scheme needs to be 100 times better than last year and the harder schedule is going to offset some of the positives I stated above. Like I said we are not lost yet but we need a decent year this year.
Its all good I expected pessimism I just didnt want people to get upset about people being down, there is plenty of reason to not look on the bright side. I think the team has to make people believers that aren't glass half full type of people, hell I am a glass half full type personality and I even have my doubts.
This post was edited by HawkiBrad55 15 months ago
p.s I will upvote every post in this thread once I get refilled, thank you all for your thoughts so far I hope people keep sharing
It seems to me Ferentz hasn't gotten the memo yet that the B1G's gentlemen's club is dead. Urban Meyer killed it. Bielema said the B1G shouldn't turn into the cutthroat SEC, then ran to the SEC. Indiana snaked recruits from Iowa and Wisconsin. OSU flipped a kid from Michigan, which took one from Nebraska, which has also lost commits to other schools. USC's vaunted class has been gutted. Ferentz strikes me as a good guy, an honorable man in an increasingly dishonorable professional but this isn't your grandfather's or even your father's B1G. He's going to have to get ruthless. The stakes are too high and the talent pool is too shallow to just concede recruits once they commit anymore. As Tommy Bowden said when he was at Clemson, "No means go." Ferentz is going to have to be willing to get into the muck and get his hands dirty with everyone else.
That doesn't mean cheating. But it does mean not taking his foot off the gas. It means continuing to work recruits even after they've committed, the way Paul Rhodes kept working Jake Campos after he committed to Mizzou. We don't have to like it but that's the way it is. Coaching's always been survival of the fittest--adapt or die--but the sense of urgency for coaches to win now has been ratcheted up. Illinois fans were clamoring for Tim Beckman's head after just one season; if he doesn't showed marked improvement this year, he'll be unemployed. Southern Miss dumped its coach after just one season. Bielema fired his new OLC a couple games into last season, Houston's coach fired his OC after they lost their first game. Tommy Tuberville slapped a GA on the sideline. The pressure on coaches to win must be unbearable at times.
Ferentz has to get caught up and learn the new rules quickly--and Rule #1 is that recruiting's a war and in war, there are aren't any rules--or risk being left further behind. And if he doesn't get caught up, with his buyout, you could be stuck with him for a long, long time.
This post was edited by iowabuckeyes 15 months ago
Very well said and I agree, what he has to realize he needs to keep the foot on the gas and that is all there is to it. You don't have to give up being an honorable person it just means you have to play the game the way the game is played. And to his credit he is going after kids that are recruited elsewhere King was we are still on Spearman etc.
The state that the Iowa football team is Iowa.
"I was brought in here to change the culture. I'm going to coach with passion" - Fran McCaffery.
Very interesting topic, and I'm enjoying reading all the posts here. As Lumuhawk said, I think 2013 is a crucial year in the Ferentz era. IMO, Iowa simply has to show some sort of progress from 2012, even if that means just going 6-6 and making a bowl game. You've got to have some tangible proof that the program is headed in the right direction, and two straight sub-.500 seasons could be difficult to bounce back from.
Probably the biggest storyline between Signing Day and the season opener will be the quarterback competition. It appears to be wide open, and whoever emerges as the guy needs to hit the ground running right off the bat.
Even before Scherff and Donnal went down, I thought the 2013 offensive line was noticeably worse than the 2012 group, as Iowa's offensive tackles weren't good enough pass blockers for Iowa to move the ball against quality defenses. If someone can emerge at left tackle and enable Scherff to move down to guard, that would be a great sign heading into the season. I think Scherff can be one of the best guards in the B1G, but I'm not sure he's even above average as a tackle, mainly because of the pass blocking issue.
Among this teams question marks heading into 2013, I really don't think running back is anywhere near the top. Daniels was an outstanding get, and I think Malloy may have something to say about who carries the ball this year as well. In addition to Weisman and Bullock, I think Iowa will be in pretty good shape there. As some of you know, I wasn't that high on Hill coming out of high school, but he'll certainly have an opportunity to earn a spot as well.
I hate to get involved in the blame game, but to me, one of the biggest disappointments of the 2012 season was Keenan Davis. He had multiple opportunities to make the big plays that senior receivers simply have to make, and he rarely did so. Whether it's Martin-Manley, Damond Powell, Jordan Cotton, Tevaun Smith or someone else, there has to be somebody that steps up as a go-to receiver in 2013.
Obviously, another factor here is the offensive scheme and play calling. For whatever reason, the passing game was completely out of synch for the majority of the 2012 season, and it's ultimately up to the coaching staff to make sure that doesn't happen again in 2013. Whether it's a play calling issue, a scheme issue or a personnel issue, it has to be better.
I think Iowa has done an outstanding job in the 2012-2013 recruiting classes in the secondary. As a lot of you know, I was very, very high on Sean Draper coming out of high school. I thought he looked good in his role as a true freshman, and wouldn't be surprised to see him land the starting spot vacated by Hyde. Kevin Buford also looked good, and with the additions of Malik Rucker and Desmond King, Iowa has some solid depth there.
The safety position was also a major disappointment in 2012, IMO. If Ruben Lile is close to 100% healthy, I wouldn't be surprised to see him make a major push to crack the rotation and/or start in 2013. He possesses a lot of the physical abilities that Tanner Miller doesn't, to be honest. And at the other spot, this would be the perfect time for Nico Law to have a breakout season.
I think the linebackers will once again be the strength of Iowa's defense. They weren't perfect in 2012, but I still think they played at a higher level than the secondary or defensive line did.
Up front, I like where Iowa's at with the defensive tackle position. At end, Alvis needs to make significant progress from 2012. If he does, it's a lot easier to find one more quality starter on the other side, or even a by-committee approach, than it is to find two quality starters.
Spring practice should be extremely competitive, as there are a lot of spots up for grabs right now.
I agree a lot with Todd, like always. I think Iowa's secondary could be decent, and I actually expect Law to have a good year. He has all the physical tools, he just needs to put it all together. I also think Iowa's defensive line couldn't get any worse than last season, even without addressing the need for a DE. I would like to think the defense will be improved, and I really hope the offense can put something much better together. Football projections aren't really my strong suit, but I think Ferentz really needs to show something here, another year without a bowl game won't sit well at all.
This except there is no "probably" about KFs clock management woes. The guy is clueless.
The B1G is gonna get alot tougher and judging by Iowa's last 3 seasons, this recruiting class, and KFs new hires Iowa will be bad until 2-3 after KF leaves. The game has passed him by. By game I mean recruiting and promoting your program. Thats the new game.
KF talks about how we arent sexy. Seriously?
KF talks about how he hates recruiting. Thats how I handle my job too, I bitch about my least favorite parts instead of trying to excel.
The guy is a great person but has put the state of Iowa Football is the gutter. If you think gutter is too strong look at who has beaten us lately- Minn, ISU, CMU, PUR, IND
I'm a long way from the scene...........don't know much about the incoming class beyond a few bullet points.........but that seems to be the way the staff wants it.
Saturday afternoons.......that I can speak a bit to. I can't shake the feeling that the biggest problem Iowa faces is that its Head Coach fears success.
Said it before, say it again:
Ferentz wanted to win enough to establish himself, but not so much that expectations would be fueled beyond his own perceived capacity to "feed the monster" of increasing fan expectations.
Creates an atmosphere akin to watching drying paint for me-perhaps apropos to their scheme diversity. Ultimately.........fitting.
This post was edited by Lawnside Hawk 15 months ago
While I agree the QB battle is the most intriguing story for Iowa in 2013, here are a few other questions I have:
1) What are the team's strengths? The offensive line? The defensive front 7's experience and depth? Weisman? Fiedorowicz?
2) Where is the team weakness/most vulnerable?
3) Will the senior leadership be there? Isn't Morris going to be a 4-year starter? Won't all three LBs be seniors? Who's stepping up and lead on offense?
4) Is there good depth? Will any of the freshmen be able to step in and earn reps? Or will they be forced to play before they're ready?
5) Who's Iowa's marque player going to be? Who's the face of the program? Who's jersey are people going to buy?
6) Who's going to step up and be a playmaker on offense and stretch the field vertically?
7) What is Davis going to do to take pressure off an inexperienced QB? Between the OL, Weisman and Fiedorowicz, it almost begs for a classic B1G power offense.
I have to admit that really made me want to downvote you.
I did downvote him several times just because of that post.
I don't know. Davis has me really down. Which is quite the opposite for me usually being a big homer. I always try and look on the positive side. So I guess when everyone usually thinks Iowa is down they have a good year. So I guess there is that.
My feelings regarding the state of Iowa football....
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