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The thread on Brandon Hines caused me to consider whether or not Iowa should continue to actively recruit in Wisconsin now that Lester Erb is gone. What do you all think? Does it make sense to continue doing so, or would those efforts/resources be better allocated elsewhere?
In terms of the logistics, Eric Johnson is from there, so it'd be natural for him to take over the reigns if need be.
Anyway, what do you all think? I'm interested to hear your thoughts.
We are not discussing this are we? You recruit everthing within a 400 mile radius of Iowa. It's a border state!
Shut up...... But I agree
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My sense is absolutely.
In fact, with the departure of Bielema, we should be stepping up those efforts.
I don't really see a downside here. Wisconsin produces a reasonable amount of D1 talent, and we have had success there in the past, and, logistically, it's an easy access state for us being a border state.
I definitely see that side of the argument. But on the flipside, Iowa hasn't signed anyone from Wisconsin since the 2010 class. While it's a border state, Iowa's roster doesn't exactly feature a bunch of standouts from Wisconsin.
Iowa had Flash Gordon, then lost him to a bunch of lies from Bert Beelemma.
I'd say YES, go into Cheezehead country as much as possible.
I'm still hoping Mike Hardy, the Def Lineman from Appleton develops in his last couple of years.
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Yes, in fact we should be recruiting it harder. We know we can have success and pull good players out of Wisconsin, if we don't even try than we're doing a huge disservice to our team.
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Hey Worls, is your thought process behind cutting bait in connieville so Iowa can shift its recruiting focus to a state like, ohhh, say, Florida?
Geez, sounds like it would just be easier for the staff to just actively recruit in Iowa. Recruiting seems to be a huge inconvenience.
Are there hints about this too or is this just you thinking out loud, Todd?
Hayden used to pull a lot of talent out of America's Dairyland, but Barry Alvarez started winning and shut that door long ago. Nevertheless, with Bielema gone and Wisconsin in transition, by all means we should continue to work the state.
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You don't quit recruiting places cause misfortune. Florida I see cause of distance & culture differences but Wisconsin I don't at all especially now that BB is gone.
Todd must be trying to stir up trouble again..............
Not recruit Wisconsin?! That would be like swearing to never drink a beer during football season (and every other time of the year!).
As a Wisconsin resident, I know there are a lot of good to very good Football players up here. You don't see too many wideouts or quarterbacks. But the trenches are very full of big bears and there are quite a few good defensive players. Gordon is a prime example of the running backs too. So I agree we should recruit Wisconsin ever harder, now that Brett has moved on. The door will be open the next couple of years. Unless the New Guy (whose name I don't remember) can resurrect Brett's successes, we should have a fertile turf for years, just like Hayden did, and as we have harvested Minnesota for the last decade of better.
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I, too, live in Wisconsin and have since 1981. The number of really good football players who come out of the larger cities in WI, i.e., Milwaukee, Madison, Green Bay, Eau Claire, is really very small. The HS football programs in general in Milwaukee and Madison, as well as Green Bay, are not very good programs. Given their populations, I am surprised that they do not produce more quality football players.
Wisc. Hawk is certainly right that there have been some good players here. They seem to be, as he says, more the "in the trenches" types of guys. And, they are scattered around the state from year to year, much like they are in Iowa. I would think if Iowa would keep their eyes open for some diamonds in the rough, much like they do with small high schools in Iowa, they should keep the door open. Lots of time and effort on highly recruited kids...not so much.
To be clear, I'm not necessarily saying Iowa should stop recruiting there. Just thought it was an interesting question to debate, because I think there's a good argument on both sides. And if Iowa did pull out of Wisconsin, while I still don't think it's an efficient use of time/resources to recruit Florida, there could be more time/effort spent recruiting another state/area instead.
I didn't mean it that way. Just that if Iowa isn't pulling in quality players from there, and the coach that was in charge of Wisconsin has moved on, it could be time to reevaluate whether or not it makes sense to continue recruiting there or focus on other areas instead.
No hints about this that I know of - I just thought it'd be an interesting topic to debate since I think there's a good argument for both sides.
Not trying to stir up trouble at all. I do think it's an interesting topic to debate though.
As the crow flies, it's only 80 miles to the Wisconsin border from Iowa City. Wisconsin is arguably closer than any border state other than Illinois. You have to attempt to recruit kids up there. It will not take a lot of resources as it is a quick trip.
I would really like additional resources put against Ohio. Urban is going to go national now and will continue to attract kids from the South. There is a ton of talent in Ohio and there is no reason Iowa cannot continue to land 5-7 quality prospects a year, particularly from the I-80 corridor. Southwest Ohio is getting hit hard by Mark Stoops now and Indiana's improved efforts also put them into Cincinnati this Spring.
I can score in Dayton and across from Toledo through greater Cleveland to Youngstown.
I completely agree that Ohio needs to be a major focus for Iowa. It should have been before, but even more so now that Meyer isn't taking as many in-state kids as Tressel did. Incidentally, I was listening to a sports talk show on the radio today that was interviewing ex-OSU corner Malcolm Jenkins. He was listing a number of his OSU teammates that were three-stars, two-stars or one-stars coming out of high school, and those guys all formed the nucleus of a team that won the B1G title all four of his years in Columbus. None of them would have been offered if Urban Meyer had been at OSU. To me, the fact that Tressel and his staff identified those guys and went after them even though they weren't highly sought-after, and so many of them became outstanding college and NFL players, that shows their ability to evaluate as a program in that era. Very impressive.
Regarding Wisconsin, I think a lot of it depends on what the new coaching staff in Madison does. If Bielema were still on board, I'd be tempted to back out of Wisconsin for the most part if I were Iowa. The reason being that Iowa will generally have a hard time landing any kids from Wisconsin that the Badgers offer. And Wisconsin isn't like Ohio or Pennsylvania where there are dozens of kids passed over by the in-state power that are outstanding players. There may be some quality talent that slips through the cracks in Wisconsin every now and then, but IMO, not enough to warrant much activity there on Iowa's part.
Now, with a new staff in Madison, I think Iowa has to continue to stay active there for at least another year or two just to see what Wisconsin's new coaching staff is made of. If the new coaches in Madison don't completely hit it off with the in-state recruits and high school coaches, then Iowa could be in great position to land some quality players. But if, in the next couple of years, the new staff at Wisconsin proves it can secure its own borders, then I really don't see a benefit to expending much time and effort there for Iowa.
Iowa's already cut Florida. Why would it stop recruiting Wisconsin? That's just plain crazy talk! Yeah, you're not going to get many but as someone said, Wisconsin tends to produce road graders and, in my opinion, Wisconsin's reputation for making out NFL quality OLs out of 2-stars and walk-ons is right up there with Ferentz's. If you're going to concede every player outside Iowa to the in-state school, why not just wait until everyone else has gotten who they want and then sign a bunch of 2-star leftovers that are going to MAC schools? If Iowa's going to circle the wagons and focus on the Midwest, it has to be willing to stick its neck out there.
One of the challenges with OOS recruiting is most recruits' desire to play reasonably close to home so their family and friends can watch them play. That's not just home games but also includes away games. And with B1G realignment, the odds are very good Iowa and Wisconsin will be in the same division. That means they'll play every year. That kind of renewed frequency will only help heighten Iowa's visibility up north. Same thing in Illinois if NU and Illinois are both in the "west." And if Purdue and/or Indiana come west, too, that will raise Iowa's profile all the way to Ohio's border.
Not sure if this was a direct response to my posts, but I never said to concede every player outside of Iowa to the in-state school. The states of Illinois, Michigan and Indiana have been good to Iowa, Ohio was great to Iowa this year, and I think Pennsylvania could be as well if it became more of a focus for the Hawkeyes. Iowa has proven it can more often than not win recruiting battles for in-state kids against Illinois and Northwestern. Same is true with Indiana and Purdue (probably not Notre Dame though). Iowa likely won't win any recruiting battles for in-state kids against Michigan, Michigan State or Ohio State. It remains to be seen what will happen with Penn State.
But all of those states feature better high school football than Wisconsin does, so there's a lot more talent in those states than the very top tier. At least under Bielema, I don't think it was realistic for Iowa to land a recruit from Wisconsin that the Badgers wanted. Maybe that'll change under the new regime. But my point is that aside from the Wisconsin kids that the Badgers actually want, I'm not sure the state of Wisconsin produces enough talent to warrant Iowa expending much effort there.
Not directly. Yours was the last post prior to mine and I must have inadvertently hit the quote button instead of the reply bottom.
However, the other B1Gs are clearly stepping up their recruiting. Everyone else seems to be spreading their nets wider while Ferentz is mysteriously pulling his in. Ohio State may be backing off Ohio but other schools and coaches are showing they're more than happy to fill the void by making Ohio a bigger priority than ever before, including new coaches at Kentucky (Stoops and Marrow), Purdue (Hazell), and Illinois (Beckman). Alabama just offered three kids from Glenville, one a Buckeye commit and the others strong OSU leans. Since joining the B1G, Nebraska has stepped up its presence. Michigan, MSU, Northwestern and Notre Dame are fully committed to making Ohio a priority. PSU had only three Ohioans on its roster last year but their recruiting coordinator said this month, “We have to get our roots into Ohio a little better than maybe what we’ve done in the past. I think there are some kids in Ohio that have some interest in Penn State, and we have to do a great job of identifying them, recruiting them early getting in there. I just think it’s important that we establish our presence in the state of Ohio.” And just as Nebraska's looked east, we can expect Rutgers and Maryland to look to recruit west. And they will have at least one competitive advantage if they're in the same division as Ohio State and can offer recruits at least two games every four years in the Shoe and Big House.
There's only so much talent in Ohio and if Iowa intends to make Ohio its #1 priority, they'll have to take a number and wait in line. And it's a long line and getting longer. Iowa needs to diversify its portfolio, not divest.
I know this came out after your post, but Ferentz said in today's press conference that Iowa plans to have three coaches recruiting in Ohio. I think that's a great move.
You're absolutely right about all the schools that recruit in Ohio as well. Ohio State, Michigan and Notre Dame will be tough for Iowa to beat when it comes to any recruits from Ohio. While there will be a lot of competition for everyone else, I think Iowa can have some significant success there if they play their cards right, and it appears that they're off to a good start.
Players from Ohio grow up watching and/or cheering for Ohio State. As you know, the whole state pretty much stops when OSU is playing, and that's the only game in town. Outside of OSU, Michigan and ND, Iowa arguably offers the closest thing to that. The kids in Ohio grow up respecting Iowa, and if/when they take a visit out to Iowa City, a lot of them are really impressed. Iowa obviously isn't going to bat 1.000 in Ohio, but there's no reason the Hawkeyes can't land 6-8 kids per class from there, and a lot of those guys can go on to really excel at Iowa.
While a Rutgers or Maryland can sell the fact that they're in the same division as OSU, at least at this point, kids in Ohio don't respect those programs nearly as much as they do Iowa's. And the "only game in town" atmosphere definitely doesn't apply to those programs either. Penn State may eventually become a force to be reckoned with in Ohio again, but these sanctions definitely won't help them in the short term.
Ohio has had a long history of seeding successful (and not so successful) Iowa teams. Back to the 50's, the Steubenville trio which included Outland trophy winner Calvin Jones, were key members that led Iowa to good seasons. As soon as they left, Iowa won the Rose Bowl in 1957 and 1959.
Bob Commings came to Iowa, ala Jerry Faust, straight from Masillon, OH HS to Iowa in the 70's. Though it didn't work out, he left the first of 3 Stoops boys to Iowa City. He also recruited Butch Caldwell and others from Dayton.
Historically, Iowa had solid teams when there were Ohio connections as well as Illinois, Texas and New Jersey.
This post was edited by SWOhioHawk 14 months ago
I believe BB had some was able to recruit some of their talented linemen from the Badger state.
I agree with your previous statement. All bordering states should be recruited.
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