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Just wanted to start a thread where everyone can discuss the latest rumor about Kirk Ferentz as a candidate for the Chiefs job if they'd like.
Please note that no one affiliated with Voice of the Hawkeyes is reporting this, but just acknowledging that the rumor is out there, and I assume Iowa fans will want to discuss it.
OK. I'll start. Fine with it either way.
Unlike previous years when these rumors sprang up, I seriously doubt that there is going to be weeping and gnashing of teeth and screaming that he stay. I still like the Captain but am growing increasingly weary of the conservative style we play. Just sayin'!
You guys know my feelings in that KF is a perfect fit and a great coach for Iowa. It would be a real tragedy and set the program back if he were to move on.
Now saying that I do not think he will leave -- lets face it the KC job is a mess right now and will take years to straighten out -- not exactly your ideal situation.
Cleveland ... well he has been there before (before the Ravens).
The real interesting thing is that real football minds think very highly of KF but some Iowa fans think their opinions are worth more than the experts.
Bet Stanzi and Moeaki would like that.
This post was edited by NYCHawkeye 19 months ago
Here's a link on the topic:
Fourteen-year Iowa head coach again linked with potential Kansas City opening.
If he leaves, he leaves. I wouldn't be disappointed if he stayed either, but him leaving likely means Greg Davis leaving and I'd be down for the latter.
"I was brought in here to change the culture. I'm going to coach with passion" - Fran McCaffery.
Bring up KOK from Miami and have a nice little reunion in KC. Hell pick up McNutt while you are at it.
I just dont see it happening but whatever happens I am ok with
I'm experiencing this strange new feeling about Iowa's coaching staff: apathy.
Haha, I like your thinking!
Sine Missione -- Never be a spectator for unfairness or stupidity, argue for arguments sake; the grave will give plenty of time for silence.
I think it's more complicated than that. Kirk Ferentz did a hell of a job bringing the Hawkeyes back to at least a pretty consistently good/decent team pretty quickly and he's shown that he can develop young players, but where is most if not all of the interest for Ferentz coming from? College? No. NFL? Yes. I think most colleges see Ferentz for what he is, at this level he's very good for building a program, but not that great at sustaining success with players leaving for the NFL year-to-year. I think the NFL see's him as a coach who can not only build a franchise, but if they support him by letting him get the players he wants and in some cases doesn't always have to take 2-3 years developing I think he can possibly rebuild and maintain success. Look around the coaching ranks and you'll see evidence of this type of thing all over the place, some guys like Saban and Petrino are good/great *college* coaches and some guys like Ferentz are likely to be better NFL coaches. Some guys like Harbaugh (49ers coach) are very good at both levels, it's just a matter of changing circumstances and how a coach handles them individually.
Another thing that's different is that Kirk has a little too much power and authority at Iowa as he can hire and keep anyone he wants on the staff for however long he so chooses, at the NFL level an owner/GM could force out or pressure him to fire a guy like GDGD. I'm sure that's something Kirk actually has looked at and may be one reason why he hasn't taken an NFL job, another reason however is that I still think he's resisted leaving because he wanted to wait until all of his kids graduated high school/college.
KF isn't go pro and I'm willing to bet the farm on that. He'd make it two years max & be done or he can stay at Iowa til 2020 with .500 record.
I can't see KF handling the NFL media too well, twitter accounts or an ego half the size of DJK properly. His loyalty to fault would be another issue. Horrible clock management. Conservative play calling. Etc etc etc.
If he were to leave I'd be okay with it, as long as its after signing day. Plus it'd be during a period were we have plenty of time to search for a coach without worrying about time loss on screens. Andy Reid or Kirby Smart would be my hypothetical favorites but I'm going on the record saying KF AIN'T LEAVING
nor should he have to, people have way to high a expectation for this team. this is the BT not the WAC where one team can dominate a group of teams, Iowa has to be able to compete with Michigan, Nebraska, MSU, NW and even Minnesota year in and year out,
that's a pretty tall order. then you add in OSU to the mix, way to many people expect more than they should. just be happy with a coach that doesn't cheat, Lie or buy players, look at where buying a player got Chizek 2 years removed from a NT, without a job and a Conference season with NO victory to show for it,
even Illinois fired Zook and they didn't win a game this year for their efforts of firing him
This post was edited by redhawk55 19 months ago
First of all,
I agree with you that change for the sake of change is never productive. If either side parts ways in the future, I guarantee you it will be well thought out and not hasty. That's the only good way to go about a coaching change IMO.
This opportunity for KF has been there before. Is he tempted this time? Maybe. He has all the security he needs both now and in the future by staying at IC. He really does not have to worry about the future, though. If KC makes an offer, it will be a nice one. Does not need to be a long term one. KF will be OK either way. He already has a couple of coaches he could easily drag with him. (If you go, take GD, PLEASE!!)
I think he will take a look at the present situation with the team (not very good, I would say on the heels of a 4-8 record) and who is coming in for playing time next year, who is in the recruiting pipeline, next year's schedule, and maybe see he has not quite hit the level of success that even he expects of himself. So do you stay?-or go to new challenges and leave the fan uncomfortableness and uncertainties and bomb crater holes in the football program? Does KF reach a point where he says to himself....."The heck with it. I don't need all this crap from VOTH members."? "I can get AT LEAST 3 years out of a new gig in KC."
I wouldn't blame him.
KF is not going anywhere. I think KF has had his own personal wake-up call that the Hawks have lost some feathers under his leadership. He wants to get them back. He knows where the program is going wrong- and where it is going right. He always has been, and always will be, a man of honor. Captain Kirk would rather be one who goes down with the sinking ship instead of one who jumps from it. He will bring Hawkeye football back to where it belongs and to where he himself wants it to be. KF is no happier with 4-8 than anyone else. Just wait. It will happen.
It kind of like watching corn grow. Sometimes it seems like forever, but when it gets going, it goes! You just gots to give it time sometime.
Welcome Redhawk55! I see you have made it over to this board. Good choice. I look forward to reading your posts.
got tired of posters on HN calling me names MF and such, because they didn't like my thought proccess,
to the others thx's for the welcome,
there is one more point that's shows this program is not that far down. Iowa went 4-2 with a win against MSU, their losses were to ISU and CMU both are bowling with CMU actually winning their bowl. it was the MSU game that started the slide, Weisman got hurt and missed the next 4 games, this after gaining 600 yards rushing in 4 games, in the next game against PSU 2 of Iowa's top 2 OL went down for the season in RSSO Scherff and RSSO Donall even starter Blythe a RSFR went down with a injury in the CMU game, which allowed Donall a chance to start and even RSFR Walsh got a start but got hurt.
RSFR Blythe was a 4*
RSFR Walsh was a 4*
RSSO Donall was a 4*
RSSO Scherff was a 3*
RSJR Van Sloten was a 3*
thats some solid talent Iowa has coming back on the OL, and they all were starting for the 1st time in their career
next fall there will be just one senior starting with Clark, Bofelli and Mac Millan as SR'S backing up the starters with all 3 getting experience as a starter this year because of injuries,
as of now Iowa returns 3 RBS that to date return with over 1400 yards rushing and close to 300 yards receiving, then we add Dawson, Canzeri, Hill and Malloy to this group in spring. how long as that been since that happened,
sorry but I lived thru the EVY years the 60' and 70's to just throw a coach off a cliff for somebody new, I understand the ups and downs that can and do happen, to many live in the what have you done for me today mentallity, and have no clue on just how bad it can get.
when some of you get the chance take a close look at the 2 deeps at the age or some of these players to see how inexperienced they actually were
What? Rumors of Kirk Ferentz going to the Chiefs? Is it that time of year already?
Do you think Iowa could pull in Reid or Smart? (Serious question). I have always wondered what kind of power Iowa would have if they went shopping for coaches. I know we will put up the money, but will top notch coaches come?
Wisconsin didn't seem to have as much pull as I expected. Not saying their hire was bad, I just can't believe they had to dig down deep and find the Utah St. coach.
So what are your thoughts? Can we pull big(ger) fish?
I think the "big fish" that Iowa would be able to pull would be Iowa alumni and former coaches. Iowa has a big advantage over Wisconsin in that way. No, Iowa probably couldn't pull Reid or Smart, but they could probably pull Bob Diaco or Mike Stoops.
As Jumper said, I'm not sure Iowa could pull too many big name coaches. That being said, I honestly believe that 9 times out of 10, the big name coach isn't actually the best coach available. If you've got a great AD, he should be able to identify an under-the-radar coach that will knock it out of the park.
4 million dollars a year with a 4 year deal is a lot of money to turn down.
Iowa wouldn't start a coach out at that price and I'm not certain on the standard initial contract length but I think Iowa could land a big fish with the right bait.
I think Mark Stoops who just took the Kentucky job might be a option in 7 years when KF'S last son graduates, by then he will have shown how he can handle a HC'ing position.
as for Mike he had his chance out in Arizona and did not succeed, he is a good DC but not a HC
Thanks all. I appreciate the perspectives. All good points. Go Hawks!
This post was edited by ChicagoHawk 19 months ago
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