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it is tough to be reminded what a good team can do to the hawks. it would have been easier to get through the summer under the delusion that iowa was only a few made shots away from being a quality team. baylor was the far superior team. i dont' know if anybody from the hawks could have started for them--maybe dev as a complementary player. dev looked like a dufus in those green shoes tonight, by the way. the guys played hard. the game plan wasn't nutso. the baylor players were just bigger, faster, stronger, and more skilled. (how they ended up in the nit is a bit mysterious to me. the big 12 can't be that deep.)
i'll stick by my prediction in another thread. next year--11-7; 5th place. after that, iowa is in some danger depending on the 2014 class. without a talent upgrade beginning in 2014 the hawks are stuck in mediocreville. the current underclassmen likely can't lead the team out of that swamp. oh yeah--they shine against patsies but fold up fast in the face of decent talent. they're a smidge slow and physically and mentally weak. oof.
I don't agree with your assessment. It seems to me the issue is a lack of bulk and muscle under the basket. Against a stronger, more power oriented center, the Austin kid from Baylor would have been far less effective. Yes I know he is a freshman too. But his lack of bulk was offset by the big, muscular forwards that played with him. Iowa lacked a match to that combo. Baylor was a good team. But Iowa at her best was more than good enough to beat them. It seems clear the Baylor size on the backline did not hinder us rebounding, but it played hobbs with our shooting inside.
One stat that baffled me last night was the # of shots Iowa took. We had 21 more shots than Baylor, but sunk 8 fewer!!! Where did all the extra possessions come from? We were basically a push rebounding. TO's favored Baylor,. So how did we get the back for all those extra shots??????
I think an offseason working on shooting, with the addition of two more shooters next year should put us in a good position to compete for a Big Ten first division finsih and a shot at the NCAA Tourney next year, The growth of Woodbury and health of Gessell are critical in my mind.
Edited to correct the shot number. Box score was changed by this morning.
This post was edited by WiscHawk 12 months ago
LOL! When you shoot 20 some percent from the floor youre not going to look very good against anybody.
I bet iowa missed AT LEAST 7 lay ups in that game. They looked like mid-season Iowa with all the missed bunnies., Make lay-ups and Iowa is in it until the end. They played absolutely horrible and were down 1 with 17 minutes to go, Iowa just lacked the athleticism to keep up with Pierre Jackson and the Isaiah kid. If Baylor had a coach that was worth a crap, they'd be a sweet 16 team this year, but Scott Drew is not a good coach. Great recruiter, below average coach.
This post was edited by KCHawk25 12 months ago
WiscHawk.........very good post and I pretty much agree with all of it.
At half of the Baylor game, considering how poorly we shot and played, I thought we were going to win,
because we'd come out and control tempo in the 2nd half. I think it was a poor choice to not have
Mike Gesell on the floor, more minutes in this game. And then, you had our Bigs miss about 7 shots inside 2 feet.
No one wanted to shoot the ball from perimeter, except maybe May & McCabe, who were off.
All in all though, this was an extremely beneficial post season run for the
Iowa player, staff & fans. And yes, expectations will be much higher, next year.
And that is how it should be in Iowa basketball..............we're going higher, gonna be better!
'Texan by birth, Hawkeye by the Grace of God'
Woodbury ....get in the weight room, starting today!
Also, spend at least half your court time working on DUNKING the god-$@#! basketball!!!
Sorry guys, but if Iowa is going to take it to the next level in 2014, we must have a stronger Woodbury in the middle to match up with Zeller and the rest of the B1G front courts. Olaseni could also use more muscle, but not to the same degree as Woodbury. They should both be working the medicine ball quite a bit between now and October.
I would add White either needs to slim down and work on pull up jumpers or bulk up and play in the post. For the first 15 minutes he was being guarded by one of their guards and wouldn't even post him up. I see him losing a lot of time to Utoff is he is as good as Fran has been making him out to be.
Anyone else notice Fran never says anything about Myer when talking about next year. My guess is another Andrew Brommer. Might just be there really is no room in the post player rotation.
Woodbury,Basabe, and Olaseni at C
White,Uthoff,McCabe at F
I just don't think there is room for Meyer at the moment, same thing goes for Ingram at guard. I don't think they are busts, they're just not good enough to make the rotation yet. I think both will get plenty of minutes the year after next if they stick it out
This post was edited by Bloodrazor 12 months ago
If you don't like my opinion, at least you can enjoy the view
Sorry, but you don't have the season Iowa had if you aren't a quality team. They went toe-to-toe with some of the best teams in the country throughout B1G play. Hopefully people don't get too down on the team because of the Baylor game. Iowa just doesn't match up well against the Bears. Also, I think the difference in athleticism in this game reflects more on how freakish Baylor's players are as opposed to how slow and unathletic Iowa's are. This was a Baylor team that underachieved all season. Had they played that well consistently, they would have easily made the Tourney and would have made a run. Talent and ability wise, Baylor was a top 10-15 team. They just needed Scott Drew to get out of the way.
Very good post, Fish............how is it that we are always so closely aligned, agreeing incessantly?
Seriously, I agree that this was more about Baylor realizing their potential. Holy shi......I think Scott Drew did a poor job, not getting that group of guys in the Big Dance. The 7 footer and the 6'9" Jefferies were as good of big men as I saw all year.
And Pierre Jackson is simply a stud in the backcourt......everyone knows that.
Actually, I thought Adam Woodbury played a pretty good game, rebounding and defensive wise.........then, the coaches turned to ZMac, who was just too undersized for Baylor and didn't have his shot, this night.
Question for you, Fish. What the **** happened to Melsahn Basabe in NYC? I LOVE Mel's game, however, at Madison Square Garden, he disappeared. Believe he had 2 pts vs Maryland and 1 pt vs Baylor. wtf??
Agreed all around here Sky. As for Basabe, it may have been the pressure of returning home. I think it was more a case of the monstrous Baylor post players pushing him around down low. Normally when that happens Basabe has a quickness advantage that he can utilize. Against the Bears, though, their post players were both big and athletic, and therefore a tough matchup for Mel.
Hey, it was an off night (a lot of it has to do with Baylor being hot). See Indiana and OSU.
As bad as Iowa was playing/shooting, somehow, they were still in the game at half. I thought they would correct the ship esp with Dev, White and Basabe taking over. (wanted them to attack to get Jefferson more in foul trouble). But it didn't happen. Baylor was hot out of the gate then Iowa sputtered and put up rushed shots. They've been a team with a great assist/shot ratio but not for this game.
Yes, Baylor is talented. 3 guys in the top 100 as NBA prospects (I don't even see Marble on the list). Crushed Kansas by 20? ...but they did lose to mediocre teams. Baylor was on and Iowa ran out of steam.
It did exploit Iowa's need of an inside bruiser. Yeah, I'm crying again over the fact that we missed out on Georges Niang. But with another year of experience for Basabe and the addition of 6-9 guys in Meyer and Uthoff, I think we'll be more than ok. ...well, let's hope Woody has some time for the weight room. ...and with improved outside shooting (Jok and Uthoff), it will be a new ball game next year.
Too lazy to post on the prediction thread... I believe Iowa will be in the top 3 of the league for next year. With Burke, Hardaway (and possibly Robinson), Zeller, Oladipo, Thomas and? leaving early, Iowa will have a great shot.
Did anyone else notice freshman Mitch McGary dominating the paint defensively, grabbing rebounds and throwing it down with authority vs Syracuse yesterday??
My expectation is for Woodbury to elevate his game to that level by the start of next year. None of this, in a couple of years stuff, but next year. The time is now for him and Iowa to take it to the next level. 2014: the year of the Hawkeyes!
McGary was also a 5 star recruit. I think if Woodbury can play at that level next year, Iowa could make some serious noise in the NCAA tournament.
Oh, okay, gotcha....I totally forgot the difference between having a desire to play strong and throw it down with authority for a big man in his frosh year was that one extra star.
Just saying that the expectations for Woodbury and McGary weren't, and shouldn't have been, the same for their freshman seasons. Also, Perk pointed out elsewhere that McGary is significantly older than Woodbury and therefore is much more mature physically and much stronger.
The other thing is this..........McGary has amazing agility and speed for a guy his size.
However, I think Adam Woodbury has some super assets, as well, like his soft touch, abillty to go
right and left. Adam does not shy away from contact. I really like that about him.
Adam W grew a lot this year. He's going to be a very good player for Iowa.
He may be able to be one of the true 'Post players' in the next year or two.
That will open things up, Big time for the Iowa offense.
This post was edited by Skyhawk52 12 months ago
Okay, that's fair, just as long as we are all on the same page....
NEXT YEAR he needs to be at McGary's level of this year....NOT two years from now. This team can be really special NEXT YEAR, and that means Woodbury must be ready to dominate the paint, and not consistently get in early foul trouble and miss bunnies. A recruit of his caliber, a 4-star who had an offer from North Carolina shouldn't need more than a year to get it together and make a real difference.
I agree that for Iowa to have a special year next year Woodbury will need to improve to a similar level as McGary this year.
man this discussion baffles me. i suppose the core hypothesis is logicaly correct--if woodbury plays like one of the best centers around, then iowa will have a special year. but these kinds of extravagant hypotheses are a dime a dozen. if i win the lottery, i'll have a special year, too. of course the odds are that i won't win the lottery. really, the odds are against woodbury playing at an elite level next year, too. there's no evidence to this effect.
we're getting way ahead of ourselves here. iowa will e prett good next year--several games better than this year. but a special team? a team in the group of 8 or four? that's a real stretch. of course it might happen if clemmons has the kind of year trey burke did.
I think we're going to be alot better. It took us half the season before we started clicking, i think that starts earlier this year. Woodbury will get bigger and improve alot, maybe not elite level, but certainly capable. Just adding Uthoff alone i believe will make a big difference.
Confidence was one of our biggest problems, and i think the NIT gave us some. I think it also taught them some humility as well because i think they overlooked Baylor and took a beating for it.
We were 1-2 plays from winning about 6 more games last year, i think we've matured enough to win a good percentage of those next year.
I think it's Michigan, MSU, and Iowa in the top tier next year with Indiana, OSU,Wisconsin, and Purdue in the next tier.
Maybe i'm just buying into the hype too much, but i think we lose single digit games next year. If we can start making layups (or just dunking it instead) we'll be tough to beat.
I agree that White really needs to be able to exploit his size advantage and dominate in the post against smaller players. That would be a huge weapon for Iowa next season.
How about a RS for Woody next year to let him develop more physically and also learn how to jump and jam? Unless he was playing 30 minutes a game this year, I think there are plenty of other center candidates.
I just looked it up and we did lose 7 games by less than 4 points. It's hard not to think what if! Having said that Conference games are different than Pre or post season games. Success in the big 10 doesn't necessarily translate into going deep into the tourney, at least not historically. There are great reasons for optimism. We have momentum, a young team, probably one of the deepest benches in the nation, great incoming players, great chemistry between the players, a coaching staff that the team respects. Would we make it to the tournament? I definitely expect us to. Would we go deep? I just can't see it yet. Maybe in a couple of years!!!!
Wishing you all a great off season!!!
enjoy your summer, too, HL. i hope to read at least a few comments from you over the off season. hey, btw, you managed to express tempered optimism without getting a down vote from the koo-aid kops. i think exclamation points have a prophylactic effect.
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