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Tubby has been fired. Not sure who Minnesota thinks they can get unless they go after Ben Howland
mkillian247 on twitter..... I say a lot of stuff you wont care about.
Who's reporting this?
If true, wow, didn't see that coming. Howland would be an interesting choice but I doubt he's in a hurry with his buyout, and I suspect he's not looking for that dramatic of a climate change. My guess is Minny will be looking at some of the young guns that have come to the forefront in the tourney thus far.
It's not like that program has a tremendous history or is a hotbed of talent. This could ultimately backfire on them.
Shaka Smart (VCU) would probably be at the top of their list. He grew up in Wisconsin.
Here is a link to CBS sports reporting his firing. This could be ugly for that program.
I watched VCU embarrass Dayton in the second round. Dayton had three starters out with injuries or Flu so the game had no hope of being competitive. But Shaka Smart kept the VCU full court press on all game long. I thought it was a bush performance and I don't have nearly as much respect for his as I did before that development. Even with a full team, Dayton was not likely to give VCU a tough game. With the handicaps, and the way the game went early, I thought VCU should have just played them straight up without the full court press from halftime on. Just my two cents.
I believe I read that Smart has been turning down offers, such as Illinois. He may be holding out for some select programs.
With the run FGCU is having, I'm sure Andy Enfield will be in the discussion, and, as always, Brad Stevens will be mentioned.
Minnesota has shown that it is willing to spend big-time dollars so you never know who the A.D. could lure.
I think you meant Akron... regardless, it would seem odd to slow the game down and play zone or let up pressure, just because your foe has injury or illness. VCU plays pressure against everybody...why would they change how they play for Akron?
I also mentioned Shaka Smart because I think the Gopher AD was the same guy who brought Shaka to VCU.
No way Stevens goes to minny. Also someone pointed out on tGB that the AD at Minny hired Smart at VCU so there is that connection. Just have a hard time seeing him go to Minny, plus I don't want him in the B1G
It's a little surprising on one hand, because I'm not sure how much better as a program they can consistently be, and he did win a game in the tournament this year. On the other hand, if they feel like the program has hit a plateau, and that he's not the one to jumpstart it and take it to another level, then I understand the move. And while Minnesota did beat UCLA on Friday, they really weren't playing well down the stretch of the regular season.
Regarding Shaka Smart and Brad Stevens, it's interesting to see what those two have done. If they don't have the ultimate goal of coaching at a high major school, then I completely understand their approach, as that's not for everybody. But if they do have that goal, their stock isn't going to get any higher, and can only decrease as more and more top coaches emerge at mid majors.
Dumb move IMO. Any chance they snag Tim Floyd?
in some respects it is easier to build a strong program at a mid-major school than to rebuild a program in a major conference. success isn't worth as much money--but that's another question. still, if coaching at a mid-major, you don't have to play msu, indiana, umich, uwm, or osu. as long as a coach like shaka smart maintains his recruiting cred, his path to the ncaa trnmnt is at least as good from vcu as it would be from minny.
that is, a good coach can enjoy national success outside a major conference--and now more than ever. if success means alford bucks not just wins, then the statement is false.
I think there's a distinction between Smart or Stevens taking over a program like Minnesota, who won an NCAA Tournament game, as opposed to a bottom-feeder BCS conference program. He wouldn't really have to rebuild at Minnesota, but more just help take the program to the next level. That's obviously challenging, but not quite as challenging as what Fran has had to do at Iowa.
Also, while they've got a good thing going at VCU/Butler where they can make the NCAA Tournament pretty regularly, I think they're seeing how difficult it is to make a deep run in the NCAA Tournament. Smart's Final Four berth, and Stevens' appearance in the championship game, are getting further and further in the rearview mirror at this point, and there's a very good chance neither one of those guys will duplicate that while at VCU/Butler.
Obviously, for the coach it is a personal issue. If the goal is to be the big fish in the small pond and have decent sustained success, then it would make sense to stay on at a smaller school. If the goal is either a) to be a big fish in the big pond, or b) to make as much money as you can, then you need to move up the coaching ladder. As Todd pointed out, though, it is important to strike while the iron is hot, otherwise you may lose your opportunity and get stuck in mediocrity.
I think another factor is personality, more specifically how much of a gambler a particular coach is. Many probably feel comfortable in their position and don't want to risk failure, and ultimately, their job, by climbing up that ladder, whereas, some feel it is worth the risk. I guarantee you that if Lickliter could do it all over again, he would still be at Butler.
i surely agree that taking over a minnesota now would be lots easier than taking over at iowa three years ago.
it is a pretty heavy lift to go from uncompetitive to making frequent ncaa appearances. it is also a pretty heavy lift to go from showing up in ncaa brackets and threatening to win the tnmnt. tubby was a decent coach, but couldn't make the second lift at minny. to one extent or another, the same thing happened to dr tom--tho he was coaching against corruption at michigan and minnesota.
you might be right that neither smart nor stevens might see a final four again. i just don't think that signing on with the gophers would improve their chances of doing so. indeed, i think both are slightly better off where they are.
now, there are a few programs that could provide coaches like smart and stevens with a real opportunity beyond what's possible at vcu or butler. truly elite programs with built-in recruiting advantages--uk, ku, duke, nc--can amplify a good coach's capabilities.
The problem with Minnesota is their history and facilities. Will their current setup be enough to attract Smart? I just don't see how it would. I don't think Smith was necessarily the right fit for Minnesota, but I also don't see them getting someone all that much better right now.
"I was brought in here to change the culture. I'm going to coach with passion" - Fran McCaffery.
Maybe Lick will be back in the B1G saddle again on a horse called Minnesota??
What about Tubby? Short fuse in Minnesota? OMG, is this what happens to Fran if he gets us to the NCAA tourney and wins a game? YIKES!!!
Maybe one of those California job awaits Tubby. USC? UCLA?
My money's on someone like Tommy Amaker. How high is up in Harvard where he's won three straight Ivy championships, four straight 20-win seasons, and an upset over a #3 seed in this year's NCAA?
He was 68-55 at Seton Hall (55%), then 108-84 at Michigan (56%), then 112-65 at Harvard (63%). He's 288-204 overall (59%) but if you take out the first season's record at each of those stops, he's 254-149 (63%). His last four years at Harvard, he's 90-29 (76%).
He's coached in the Big 10 so he knows the territory and the expectations and, like Tubby, he's African-American, which would help with recruiting urban black kids to Minnesota's great white tundra.
The rumor as of this afternoon is Flip Saunders, which certainly would make sense. Amaker is a good thought but he was nothing special when he was in the big ten before. If I was an A.D. and wanted to roll the dice on young talent, I would look strongly at Toole at RMU. Really, really impressed with how that team plays.
I could be wrong but I think Minnesota just built a new "Barn" Well maybe that was a couple years ago, or maybe I'm completely wrong
Great breakdown on the record for him. I honestly don't see him leaving Harvard. He has no pressure there and his wife is a professor there as well. I think he's at Harvard till he retires
Flip's a Gopher, he knows the NBA, which would be attractive to recruits (think Hoiberg), and I believe he's available. I know he's a regular interview on one of the local Twin Cities sports talk stations. I'm assuming he'd be a popular choice among the Minny faithful.
Not based on any inside information, but I'd be a little surprised to see Amaker get the nod. He already had a shot in the B1G at a school that's easier to win at than Minnesota is, and he never made it to the NCAA Tournament while in Ann Arbor. I'm not saying he isn't a quality coach, but wouldn't expect him to be one of Minnesota's top targets.
What is that? I've been reading other places that they don't have a practice facility like the rest of the big ten. I don't know how true that is.
I think this is a huge mistake on Minny's part. Tubby made Minnesota relevant again. This has Tom Davis written all over it.
I agree with Fish. Unless Tubby did something to rub the Goofer brass wrong, I think it makes ZERO sense.
Tubby is a Big name coach, a pretty good recruiter and bench coach, too.
What I do hope is that their 'coaching change' sets that program back about 10 years.
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