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What exactly are the rules anymore? I'm not complaining about Iowa getting screwed, I'm only trying to make sense of how games are called.
Is the hand check on the ball handler ok again? When is a reach in not a reach in? How much pushing is too much? When is the foul on a made basket ok not to call? How much can a defensive player move and still get the charging call?
Is it alright for refs to change how they call the second half as apposed to how they call the first half?
I have other questions too but wonder what you guys think?
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I think a lot of calling a game has to do with how the officials decide to call a game.
I've seen games where officials let players grind it out and play physical, and then the opposite where a foul is called for looking at the opponent wrong (kidding). There are certain rules for plays involving a charging call.
IMO I think the right way is to call obvious fouls, but let the game be played physically while calling enough to keep it under control.
This post was edited by u2Hawk 15 months ago
I mostly agree but there is so much difference from game to game. I have been watching a lot of BTN and ESPN and see so many calls should be called and so many touch fouls that shouldn't be called that it just doesn't seem consistent to me.
And why should it be how officials decide to call a game? Aren't there supposed to be RULES?
I don't disagree with anything you're saying. In most sports, including college basketball, the way a game is officiated can vary drastically from game to game. That's something that coaches and players need to be able to adapt to. The biggest problem I have is when a game isn't officiated consistently, either in terms of favoring one team over the other, or changing the way a game is called on both sides at different points in the game. Not sure what can be done to fix the problem. There are definitely rules, but with players running full speed and the officials not always having a great angle, there's no way anyone can get every call right, so there's bound to be some gray area. As I said, I think the biggest focus should be on officiating consistency. If these guys are actually being evaluated, they should have to answer why they called a play one way against one team, but not against the other, or why something was a foul early in the game, but not later in the game.
Who can tell how these guys ref anymore. Guys get mugged in the lane and no call, and the tiniest bump out front and its whistles all day. All I know is that was a pretty blatant forearm shiver Lenzelle Smith threw in the mug of Gesell in the first half on that little hook shot in the lane...and no call.
Officiating is so inconsistent from night to night it's not even funny. That is the problem with a human that is so subjective officiating games. Outside of the incredibly obvious fouls, calling a game is a matter of opinion. I thought the game last night was pretty poorly officiated. Not because of fouls called against Iowa and not ones against OSU, but because the officials were so incredibly inconsistent I don't think the players got a feel for the game. They'd call some really ticky tack fouls, but then let some pretty blatant stuff go.
I was really shocked when an OSU players clearly put an elbow with full extension into Gesell down on the post when Iowa had pulled within 5. He pushed Gesell out of the way so he could get a shot up that he missed. Then the B1G guys replayed it several times and never said anything. It was a big blown call. That was just one call that I saw that I felt was pretty obvious that was missed.
I also thought Craft should have received a flagrant foul towards the end of the game. Despite that fact that Marble was a little dramatic when Craft raised his elbow, the rule is, if you raise your elbow towards a player above the shoulders, it's a flagrant. He clearly did that and they just called it a personal. Many I hate that guy. The guy gets away with a ton of slapping and hand checking, its no wonder he is a "great defender".
Starts with the supervisor of officials. They need to harp on them about consistency. If the officials decide they are going to call hand checking, then call it every time.
Three officials didn't improve the game. I think it made them lazier.
It's going to be inconsistent from night to night. I don't have a huge problem with that as long as the officials are consistent during the game. They need to decide from the opening tip what they are going to call and not call and be consistent. Then the players know early what they are going to call or not call. I can't stand it when an official allows some all night then in the last few minutes calls it. I also can't stand officials constantly warning the post players. They aren't gong to stop until you call them for a foul. If you want the post play cleaned up, cal the foul right off the bat and quit warning them the whole game.
The way I learned the rule for physical defense is:
-As long as you (the defender) are in a low stance, as in knees bent/back straight, you can "reach" with upward swipes. Anything going downwards is considered a hack and should be called a foul. I was also taught by coaches to place my hand opposite the ball on the inside of the defender's hip as it will often not be called a foul if you are in a proper stance. As soon as you pop out of the stance, you will probably get called. I also notice that a hand check in the body is called way less frequently than a hand check that rests on the outside of the hip or above the hip, like anything swinging at arms/shoulders etc.
I also don't necessarily agree with the way officials call the game today, especially the Big Ten refs. I think basketball is a physical game, and should be a physical game, but that is more so in the lane. There is really no reason that guys are being picked up at half court and rode all the way down the floor. This is the primary reason that NCAA scoring is down this year, because refs allow defenders to "ride" the PG's down the floor, which slows the offense because entry passes aren't open any more and driving lanes are pretty much non existent. Maybe that's the way the NCAA wants it? Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining, nor congratulating refs. I'm just sharing my experiences with refs and how I view the rule.
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I understand that it will be inconsistent from night to night, but too much this year the officials have been so inconsistent from half to half.
I agree with you all around. And regarding the addition of the third official, I've heard a lot of NBA players from the 80's say the same thing - that they preferred only having two refs, because those guys did a better job.
And what ever happened to the 3-second rule in the lane?
I do agree that this season is seeing more checking and reaching. As stated after the Mich. St. game, certain programs simply get away with more of that due to perception, and Mich. St. is an excellent example. Conversely, some individual players get away with less if the officials "label" them as physical, so it's a frustrating double-standard.
I agree consistency within the game itself is the most important factor. If you are going to allow a free-for-all, or be ticky-tacky, at least do it evenly for both teams for the entire game.
Personally, my biggest frustration with officials is the tendency to anticipate the call and not focus on the actual play. When a player drives aggressively to the basket, you almost know it's going to be a whistle, whether there is an actual foul or not. You see this especially in the NBA. Jordan made a living off of this. He could be completely untouched, but if he didn't make the shot, the whistle blew.
The other frustration is officials allowing themselves to be manupulated by players that stumble and fall down with even the slightest contact hoping to get bailed out or get to the line. Right now, the player in the big ten that's becoming notorious is NW PG Sobolewski. Craft is another one. In the NBA, Chauncy Billups is a good example. I'm not sure why, but that drives me insane.
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