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The local Houston Chronicle newspaper has the top 100 recruits for the metro area. Houston metro area is the 4th largest in the U.S. and is a hot-bed of football talent.
After viewing the list, I don't see Iowa's name next to ANY commit. Even Iowa State has its' name on the list.
Does Iowa recruit in the south much?
Also, I notice that Iowa doesn't recruit much out west. Why? One would think California and other western states would have some talent to go after.
Here are links to maps of Iowa's '13 and '14 offers. They have recruited in the Dallas area a little bit, but not much in Houston. They focus most of their recruiting energy on metro areas in Big Ten country.
This post was edited by thejumper5 19 months ago
Nic Shimonek, 2013 QB commit was recruited by Davis I believe.
Is this a new revelation for you? Iowa has only very rarely recruited west of Nebraska and when we have I don't think it has been outside of Colorado and Arizona in a long time and we haven't recruited Texas *hard* since probably before Kascenzski was a position coach. It hasn't really been a secret...
Sine Missione -- Never be a spectator for unfairness or stupidity, argue for arguments sake; the grave will give plenty of time for silence.
I know it's nothing new they don't recruit much out west. I'm just curious why there is little to no effort in recruiting out west.
I don't think there's much need out west. Iowa can get good talent in Ohio, Illinois, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan plus fill in holes here and there with Texas and Florida.
Yeah no need. The Hawks are full of talent.
To the OP. The hawks dont recruit Texas cause our only in is Greg Davis and he according to KF "doesnt need to leave campus to recruit." Iowa doesnt recruit outside of their perceived boundries because as KF has stated many times "we arent sexy" and "we cant out-reruit the home town teams".
Davis does recruit some in Texas, as he offered Shimonek and Davis Webb back in the spring. My understanding is that LeVar Woods does most of the work in that area though.
We've discussed this in other threads before, but I don't really have a problem with Iowa's approach to the south and west. Are there talented players there? Of course. But there are dozens of other schools - many of which are above Iowa on the perceived college football totem pole and are geographically closer - that are also recruiting in those areas. There is only so much time each school has to devote to recruiting, especially when Iowa has two fewer coaches on the road than a lot of schools do, so I can understand why Ferentz may think it's not the most efficient use of Iowa's time and resources.
I don't think he meant that Iowa's roster is full of talent. Just that there is plenty of talent in the Midwest that Iowa has a much better shot of landing than the talent in the south and/or west. Of course, that means Iowa needs to win some crucial recruiting battles, and if that doesn't happen, the program will be in trouble. But if the Hawkeyes aren't winning the recruiting battles closer to home, I don't see them winning recruiting battles in CA, FL, etc for top prospects either.
I have said it before and I will say it again- when a ship is going down (4-8 is going DOWN), it dam well better be "ALL HANDS ON DECK" and "OFF YOUR OFFICE ARSES". Maybe with SKIPE and all the other good electronics communications tools available, there is less need, but NOTHING can replace a face-to-face and firm hardy handshake at the kitchen table in a selling situation, and the Iowa coaches have a football program to sell to some hesitant or skeptical 3-5 star potential customers and their parents, who probably need and appreciate the old-fashioned approach more than the kids.
RANT-Over and out.
You said it way better than I could have Todd
I understand that other schools may have better chances of recruiting the south and west. My argument is there is talent that Iowa could get out west and in the south and it appears they don't try. There may be schools with more popular names, but it doesn't hurt to at least try.
Kind of like playing the lottery. You can't win if you don't play. The chances may not be great, but there is a chance even if it's not much of one. At least try.
Since Forbes Magazine has named Kirk Ferentz the 5th most powerful coach in college football, one would infer that with all that money and power, Ferentz would be all over the country geographically, trying to recruit top talent.
This post was edited by u2Hawk 19 months ago
Your logic stinks. You want a powerful Coach to spread his strength far and wide so his strength would be a mile wide and an inch deep? That will loose to every focused recruiting effort from all other schools perceived to be of a similar appeal. Much better to hoard your power and focus it narrowly on those recruits that you identify as worthy of the effort. You can't know every recruit available nationwide. So you focus on the areas where you have developed a feeder system to alert you to up and coming HS stars. That might work.
Is Iowa actively recruiting texas? Yes
We've recruited about a player a year from Texas. Bullock, Spears, & Hillyer are some I can recall. I know there's more & plenty we've "held hands" with.
We have a crap ton of cities within a 300 mile radius of Iowa City. St Louis, Kansas City, Minneapolis, Chicago, Des Moines, Milwaukee.... We don't need TX or FL, what we need is coordinators that go out and recruit. Look at how much money Iowa spends on recruiting compared to O$U or LSU. We need to be out spending these guys and putting miles on our private jets. Our coordinators should be recruiting so hard on the road that a abundant of new shoes should come up on the expense report.
Put a better lockdown on our 300 mile radius with actual resources I say. Especially while Illinois, Minnesota, Mizz, & etc still sucks.
I agree that this would be an ideal time for Ferentz to send the coordinators on the road more.
But with only so many hours in the day, all that time spent recruiting in CA, FL, etc. is time NOT spent recruiting in places where it's more natural and likely for Iowa to succeed. If time and resources weren't an issue, then I'd be in favor of focusing more on those areas, but I just don't think it's the most efficient approach at this point.
I don't disagree at all. I really think it's time for Ferentz to send the coordinators on the road as much as other schools do. Iowa already has enough inherent obstacles when it comes to recruiting, so why make it even more difficult by being undermanned?
I am not trolling. I am a diehard Buckeye who's lived in Des Moines for 12 years. My kid will be a freshman at Iowa next year so I like to think I am qualified to be a fair and objective observer when it comes to Hawkeye sports.
I understand the principle behind primarily recruiting B1G country because coaches have traditionally pitched the idea of being able to come back home and play in front of their friends and family but the way the B1G divisions and schedules are currently structured, Hawkeyes from Ohio and Pennsylvania will only get that opportunity once every 5-6 years so that sales pitch has been seriously diluted. The paradigm needs to change.
For that reason, I can't believe Iowa doesn't recruit Texas and Florida and California more. Not only that, if it's true that your coach with the most contacts in the Longhorn State doesn't go on the road, it's a travesty. OSU's OC and QBC, Tom Herman, who was previously the OC at Iowa State and before that the OC at Rice, recruits Texas for us. He's been on the road since the season ended. This year, he's reeled in a 4-star QB from Texas but he's also the primary for Texas 4-star LB Mike Mitchell, who's considered a strong Buckeye lean. Go to Rivals and look him up and he's the primary recruiter for a half-dozen kids, most from Texas and California. Our Co-DCs, Luke Fickell and Everett Withers, also go on the road and each has brought in talent.
Texas HS football goes up to 5 classes with two divisions each. Its 2A is the equivalent of Iowa's 4A. Talent abounds in Texas, more than Texas's BCS schools can cover. It produces more D-1 talent than Ohio, Pennsylvania and Illinois combined. Ferentz has no choice but to go out of state and if a kid's going to go away and play far from home, whether that's in Ohio or Pennsylvania or Florida or Texas or California or Georgia, Iowa's as good a place to go as any and better than most.
This post was edited by iowabuckeyes 19 months ago
Sorry buddy...but there will always be a need for players from TX and FL. We've had success with players from both, and that needs to continue. Why? Because that's where the talent is. The cities you mentioned, outside of Chicago, are not exactly "hotbeds" for college football talent. Even St. Louis, for as large of a metro area that it is, is just not stocked with top talent. A cursory look at ESPN's Top 300, over the years, shows 1 player from St Louis for 2013, 2 in 2012, 0 in 2011 and 0 in 2010. All the while one scrolls past TX, FL, FL, TX, FL, FL, TX... Sorry that's just the way it is. When you have that much top talent from FL and TX, then you will also have that many more 3☆ and even lower 4☆ guys that can slip thru the cracks and end up at Iowa.
Now I am not saying we should spend as much time as we do in say Illinois, but there is a need for Iowa to have a strong recruiting presence in TX and FL. And I am not talking for a QB with one offer from a bottom feeder FCS school..
But you are 100% correct that both the OC and DC and I'll even add the HC, needs to be out on the recruiting trails. There is no excuse for them not to be.
This post was edited by OhioHawk07 19 months ago
Exactly! Well said.
AMEN! to OhioHawk07. Sometimes the main coaches have to do windows.
You have to strike a balance between being efficient and realistic with your time, and not restricting the program's reach to other areas. It's a tough choice at times with limited resources and only so much time you can devote.
I'd like to see Iowa selectively broaden its base, but it's not so much a matter of simply contacting the occasional player. The coaching staff needs to gradually build relationships with coaches and school personnel in areas that are traditionally deep in talent, giving them an in-road to the occasional player. Those relationships are absolutely key to ongoing recruiting success.
Also, it wouldn't be inefficient for Iowa to target top offensive linemen and tight ends across the country, since we have a national reputation in those areas. A simple well-constructed letter to those players and a follow-up phone call would not be expensive, and if they express some interest, THEN you devote more resources. If you can snag the occasional top recruit in this fashion, it provides you with the in-road mentioned above to that particular school, which may pay dividends down the road for other recruits at other positions. I think in many ways, this has been utilized (The efforts at Joey O'Connor for example), but the perception is that the program has almost completely given up in some areas of the country. We need to keep that base growing to stay competitive. If Wisconsin can bring in recruits from California, which it does, there is no reason we can't have some success there.
Great post here, and I'm glad you chimed in on this. Iowa is already facing enough disadvantages when it comes to recruiting, so I do think it's a mistake to voluntarily be undermanned. The coordinators should be out on the road just as much as everyone else is.
You're right about the abundance of talent in Texas, Florida and California. However, the reality is that Ohio State is much more of a national brand on the recruiting trail than Iowa is. The Buckeyes have a legitimate shot to land a lot of those top players, while I really don't think the Hawkeyes do. The in-state schools can't take everyone, but the entire SEC, Big 12, ACC, PAC 12 and the more national B1G schools are also going after those same kids. It's possible that Iowa will win a recruiting battle here or there in those situations, but I don't think it'll happen frequently enough for that to be a sound strategy moving forward, especially when you consider that every minute spent in those states is a minute not being spent in another state.
Your post is one reason I think Iowa needs to double its efforts in Ohio. The vast majority of those kids want to play in the B1G, and Ohio State, Michigan and Notre Dame can't take everyone. Especially with Penn State being down, there is a legitimate opportunity for Iowa to land a lot of the players that OSU, ND and Michigan don't offer. Those kids have less of a prejudice about the location of Iowa, because they've seen Iowa home games on TV and likely know/know of people that play/have played for Iowa. Also, there isn't as much competition from the non-Midwest schools when it comes to recruiting Ohio.
You're right that schools like Wisconsin have had some success in places like CA and FL. I would assume at least some of their (possibly now former) assistants have/had connections in those areas. I don't think anyone on the Iowa staff really has deep connections in those areas. If there's some staff turnover this offseason, that may be something Ferentz looks for in the new coaches he brings in.
Another aspect to consider here is that, to have any chance to land prospects from TX, CA or FL (and I'm talking about the prospects that have offers from other BCS programs), Iowa needs to be able to get them on campus for an unofficial visit relatively early in the process. That is often a major problem. As kids continue to commit earlier and earlier, that makes it even more difficult for a school like Iowa. If a kid can't visit Iowa City until the fall of his senior year, Iowa has almost no chance to land him.
"Yeah no need. The Hawks are full of talent."
I nominate this as Post of the Year.
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