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Sick of hearing how Iowa isnt sexy. We have a small population. We should only expect 7 wins a year. We cant hire big money assistants. KFs contract is too big to buyout if needed. We dont have the facilities. No tradition. Too small of recruiting budget.
Fact is that Iowa is a sexy girl. She just needs a nose job and some fake boobs. KF makes it seem like hes polishing a turd, when in fact its the 11th most profitable college football team in the land. Now Go Buy Some Recruits!
Texas is still No. 1, but Michigan is closing in.
that is an interesting list. KF, your comments made me remember seeing an interview with Hoke when he was hired at Mich and his comments were something like, "well we're Michigan" discussing the success he expected. the arrogance annoys me as much today as it did then. But a little swagger and attitude (rather than that polishing a turd as you said) would be nice now and then.
I'm okay with arrogant. See Tom Brands.
I think I'm more shocked by how high they value Iowa State...(#41)...really??
ha...nice. i've seen people refer time and time again that KF is a good fit for Iowa...can someone unpack that for me? Why is he a great fit? Would the arrogance rub many in Iowa the wrong way?
Not if they are winning championships like Brands. I don't think Brands is arrogant. But he knows he's the best and wants to stay that way. It's just how he is. He is a champion and nobody can take that away from him. He's never satisfied. He doesn't rub it in peoples faces or gloat. He just goes about his business, kicks ass, never settles and keeps looking for more. I'd love if our football coach was that way.
Have no idea. I think fans just say that just because we don't have a coach with fire in his belly. No one seems to think Gable and Brands weren't/aren't the right fit.
But I think KF is passively arrogant. Watch his demeanor with the press and how he answers some of the questions.
Brands is an arrogant prick--and I mean that as a compliment, though you all may not think so--because he exudes a Nick Saban-like confidence, which only their athletes and their fans love. They are both coaches everyone else loves to hate. And no one can argue with their success.
That's 41st out of 69 teams so ISU's rank is really not that impressive. Iowa's program is worth 2.5x Iowa State's. What surprised me is Iowa ranked higher than Nebraska since Nebraska doesn't have to share its state with another BCS school the way Iowa does.
• The B1G has 2 in the Top 10 (OSU and Michigan) while the SEC has 5 (Florida, Auburn, Georgia, Alabama and LSU).
• The B1G has 6 in the Top 20 and the SEC 9, which means those two conferences account for 75% of the Top 20.
• All current B1G schools are ranked in the Top 50.
• Maryland is #56 and Rutgers #63. Their rankings should increase once they join the B1G.
• Total value of the 14 future B1G schools is $3.738 billion; total value of the SEC's 14 schools is $4.04 billion, a difference of $302 million (7.5%).
• Northwestern's program is worth as much as Stanford's and more than twice as much as Duke and Vanderbilt.
• The highest ranked Pac-12 school is Oregon at #19. Colorado is #25 overall and #3 in the Pac-12, ahead of USC. Northwestern's and Colorado's rankings may have surprised me more than anything in this whole report.
• The highest ranked ACC school is Clemson at #27.
did you see some of the programs they rank ISU ahead of?
Nebraska's ranking should also increase once they are given the full Big Ten pot.
Great breakdown here. Thanks for putting that together!
My grandmother could out-coach Saban and his over-recruited top classes.
Sorry, not impressed by 'I'm staying in Miami' Nickers
'Texan by birth, Hawkeye by the Grace of God'
Thanks for starting this discussion, KF.
Hopefully, it helps some Hawkeye fans 'see the light' that the Iowa football program is one of the
12 most succe$$ful football programs in the country. People should take more pride and be a bit more
assertive when it comes to promoting the brand, imho.
Love how this WSJ ranking squarely placed the IOWA HAWKEYES over
the cornholers, out west of us.
Tee hee. Tee hee.
Really surprised to see Penn State, Wisconsin and Florida State ranked below Iowa.
Well it looks like theres alot that goes into this equation:
"Among other factors, the study looked at each program's revenues and expenses and made cash-flow adjustments, risk assessments and growth projections for each school."
Its the WSJ so Im not gonna pretend to I know numbers better than they, but I cant imagine Iowa is a higher $ brand than the schools you listed above. Suppose its hard to calculate do what facilities projects schools have going on, how the project is financed, future trust promises, etc. Alot would go into it and I doubt this list is 100% accurate.
Either way Iowa is not a doormat. Worst case we are still in the top 20. Pretty impressive.
And to the question posed in here why people think KF is a perfect fit for Iowa
My take on that is that I do not believe that Iowa is a destination job for most people and KF wants to be there. He has had success and has built the team up more than once. Just giving what I think people mean by that, I don't think it really has anything to do with him not being arrogant as was suggested here.
Facts is facts.
ES pin is responble in part, as is Sports Illustrated for
giving Iowa short-shrift, all these years.
I think Iowa's a destination job but it needs a coach who doesn't see it as a career stepping stone, a characteristic Ferentz seems to embody, and it's going to be hard to keep any coach who has aspirations of reaching the pinnacle of success, which means playing for national championships and Super Bowls.
But that's not to say Iowa can't compete for NCs because I think the foundation is there for a program that can compete at the very highest level. Fry did it fairly consistently; Ferentz has done it but just not lately. As an impartial observer--at least more impartial than any of you who understandably wear your hearts on your sleeves, which makes it harder for you to see the forest through the trees--it almost feels as if he's become complacent, satisfied to just get into a decent bowl, and the security his buyout provides may not be helping his competitive mindset, i.e., the threat of termination's not as imminent as it might be with coaches with less security.
In terms of assets, according to the WSJ, Iowa ranks #11 in value so the money's there. You have one of the highest paid coaches in college football so it's not as if the school's unwilling to invest in success. (But that's also a double-edged sword in that Ferentz's buyout has kind of stuck you with him--he earned the most money per win of any coach in CFB this year not named Charlie Weis or Gene Chizik.) And according to a 2011 article in the NY Times, Iowa ranks 5th in the B1G and 15th among all schools in terms of the size of its fan base, which is larger than Nebraska, Michigan State, LSU, Tennessee, South Carolina, and Oklahoma. http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/the-geography-of-college-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/ You have the 7th largest stadium in the Big Ten, and one of the 20 largest university-owned stadiums in the nation. The bowls love Iowa because its fans travel and support their team. It's located within 500 miles of very fertile recruiting country, which means a reasonably manageable drive for recruits' families to see them play. You've always recruited well in Ohio, Pennsylvania and New Jersey. There's a lot to love and to sell about Iowa football.
What works against you? A very shallow in-state recruiting pool and Midwest weather. Also the perception that Iowa's not a hot brand. Kids like flash and dash and throwback uniforms and ANF labels may appeal to older fans but not recruits. I also think the B1G's current divisional alignment works against the teams located farthest west because the frequency of opportunity for recruits in the easternmost states to play in front of their families and friends has been seriously reduced. At the current rate of cross-divisional rotation, Hawkeye players from Ohio and Pennsylvania, which are the two most fertile states, may only get to play an away game in their home state once in their college career. In some cases, not at all, i.e., Ohio State and Nebraska won't play in Ohio again before 2018. As that's the case, Ferentz has less to sell recruits in those states so he may as well go to Texas, Florida and Georgia and at least pitch the prospect of playing in a bowl game their families can attend. Assuming, of course, he can get them to look beyond the weather.
We all know winning starts with talent, both on the field (players) and off it (coaches and facilities) and right now, it feels like Iowa's indexing far below its potential in terms of the resources it has available and its rabid and its widespread fan base's expectations.
"I think Iowa's a destination job but it needs a coach who doesn't see it as a career stepping stone, a characteristic Ferentz seems to embody, and it's going to be hard to keep any coach who has aspirations of reaching the pinnacle of success, which means playing for national championships and Super Bowls. "
This whole sentence is confusing. If Ferentz sees Iowa as stepping stone he would have left a long time ago when his first NFL offer arose. If Iowa is a destination, it wouldn't be a stepping stone.
It's not really that hard to understand if you take the time to think about it: The NFL and the better/richer college programs are always going to look to poach coaches who win at other schools. Exhibit #1: Bret Bielema, who left a Top 20 job for a Top 15 job; exhibit #2: Nick Saban, who left a Top 25 program for a Top 10 program, then the NFL, then back to another Top 10 program that, arguably, he's turned into the #1 program (3 NCs in 4 years don't lie).
And even though he's regularly rumored to be a candidate for virtually every open NFL position, Ferentz has proven to be an exception to that rule, hence my remark, "(Iowa) needs a coach who doesn't see it as a career stepping stone, a characteristic Ferentz seems to embody." In other words, Ferentz has proven to be the anti-thesis of the coach who might use Iowa as a stepping stone to something bigger and better. If he had, he would have been gone long ago. That's to his credit and that sentence gave him credit.
Make sense now?
I saw that texas' value went down , and iowa went up - is Greg responsible for that new found money?
"Texas still generates the most revenue in college football, but Michigan's valuation surged 18% over the year before because of improved cash flow, Brewer said. Texas' valuation fell by 5%."
Wrestling owns the Olympics
U$C is 28th? on the entire article - or is it that the entire influx of money is not really reflected in the WSJ report?
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And Colorado is 25th...go figure.
Re: Michigan's 18% jump, this is based on 2011 when they had 8 home games and played in a BCS bowl. That was a HUGE improvement over the prior year when they had seven home games and were blown out by Mississippi State in the Gator Bowl.
the problem with this thought is on 2 points,
1st Gable and Brands have a solid talent pool in Iowa, as it is the #1 sport in the State, they do not have to leave Iowa to fill a 10 man starting Roster.
KF has to recruit the nation to fill a 22 man starting roster and I owa does not have that level of talent in the state,
2nd, KF used the OB season to get raises for his staff to compete for top flight Coaches,
some need to do some research before making unfounded statements, all of KF's staff are paid on par with OSU and Michigan staffs.
and as ussuall many of you refuse to looks at the improved recruiting going back to 2010
15 4* recruits
41 3* recruits
15 2* recruits
this after avg'ing 13 2* recruits from 1999 to 2009. to date Iowa has only lost the following 4* recruits
Coe who never got here because of grades
that leaves 11 here and 4* OL Blythe as a RSFR was just named a FR AA by the National Sports Writers association
4 of the 4* players were RS'ing this year
Ward a Army AA Game participant, all were part of the 2012 class that followed a top 30 class in 2011, that is not lazy or complacent recruiting.
talk about a severe knee reaction to a down year, sorry but I lived thru the 60's and 70's and you people truly know nothing about bad seasons, I would be willing to bet most of you were born in the 80's , this is the 1st season since 2000 that Iowa was not eligible for a bowl as well as the 1st true losing season since 2000.
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