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? I imagine that can't be good right? Just another midwest powerhouse for Iowa to compete against? Or don't they really go after the same players? I imagine Notre Dame probably is on the list of more 4 and 5 star players, so maybe this Notre Dame run won't bother Iowa that much?
This post was edited by Morrison71 17 months ago
Iowa already didnt beat ND out for players so i really dont see this making a difference.
As KingIowa said, I don't think it'll have much of an impact, as Iowa and Notre Dame rarely compete on the recruiting trail. It happened with Amara Darboh and James Onwualu, but no one else I can think of in 2012 or 2013.
That being said, Notre Dame has offered Ross Pierschbacher, and the fact that the Irish are doing so well obviously can't hurt their chances with him.
So Iowa never really benefited when Notre Dame was down at all? I guess I thought Iowa got some players from Chicago that maybe they wouldn't have if ND were playing at a ND level.
To my knowledge, there haven't been too many commits Iowa has landed that were also offered by Notre Dame. My impression has been that Notre Dame has always landed top recruits, but for whatever reason, a lot of them didn't pan out and/or the coaching staff wasn't able to get them to play as a team.
Changing the subject a bit, but I do think Iowa can really benefit from Penn State's sanctions in the next year or two, particularly in Pennsylvania.
Brian Smith I think was his name was a Linebacker that verballed to us then Notre Dame offered him and he went there instead. That was the year we signed Tyler Nielsen. And they basically get all top of the heap recruits so they do not affect us at all
Gold medals aren't really made of gold. They're made of sweat, determination, and a hard-to-find alloy called guts.
My feeling during the 2000's was the more Illinois and ND were down the better for Iowa recruiting Chicago. We do battle for recruits but lets face it when ND offers you jump on it. You will get a first class education on the most beautiful campus Ive stepped foot on. Every game is nationally televised and you are guaranteed a nice job in Chicago thru the alum base. Kids that stick out in the past were Brian Smith and Tommy Zibebowski.
2013 ND commits with Iowa offer:
I dont follow recruiting as close as I used to so dont know if iowa really had a shot. Only 1 commit from Illinois for ND so far this year so that blasts my theory.
Out of those guys you mentioned, Onwualu is the only one that seriously considered Iowa. He is friends with Broderick Binns, and visited Iowa City at least three times. However, he's an exceptional student, and academics were going to play a major role in his decision, so I think it was difficult for him to turn down Notre Dame.
Ya Notre Dame has a lot to offer on all fronts and now that they have a good coach it may get scary.
True, but it's been a really long time since anyone has been able to maintain consistent success there. It's certainly possible, but Kelly needs to keep this up next year for me to really buy into Notre Dame being a powerhouse. But Notre Dame definitely does have a lot to sell, and if they continue to succeed, I would imagine the national media will be all over it. Perception is reality, so that'll make Notre Dame that much more appealing to recruits.
Also, with the way the Irish recruit nationally, Notre Dame's success could have more of a negative impact on programs like USC, Florida, Alabama, Texas and Ohio State. I guess you could see a trickle down effect whereby those schools then become more likely to offer Iowa's top targets (for example, a kid like Solomon Warfield could stand a better chance of landing an Ohio State offer if the Buckeyes lose a few of their top targets to Notre Dame).
Im not sold on BK as a coach or a recruiter. Even when down their recruiting classes are amazing. Nobody does more with less than post-Holtz ND. Compare their recruiting classes to their end of the year AP ranking. Mack Brown type situation.
Living in cincinnati, I've observed Kelly up close. He is extremely ambitious. I could see him jumping to the NFL after two or three good seasons at ND.
Onwuala attends CDR, as you know, which is a major feeder school for ND the last 6/7 years. Only miss was Seantrel Henderson, thankfully. The RB Jones that has visited Iowa numerous times will be one to watch should we offer.
BK is killing it on the recruiting front. After 3 classes, including 2012, I'd give him a B+ and his first year was mainly salvaging a class together. The former Hawkeyes on our staff Diaco, Cooks, and Elliott have been great. Really hoping Diaco doesn't leave for HC position after ^^^this year. Cooks is our TX recruiter and he's starting to get major players out of TX. Elliott was a homerun hire ^^^this offseason and our DB play has improved drastically. Especially with 3 first year starters; 1 a TF at CB, 1 RSFR at FS, and 1 a JR. All 3 have switched positions since being recruited to ND.
This post was edited by star69 17 months ago
Bobby Diaco has been a surprise at ND. His defenses at UC were bad, but he is much improved at ND.
Dealing with completely different talent levels at Cincy compared to ND. Also BK has restructured his offense to a running team that eats the clock. At Cincy he had to outscore opponents which led to his D being on the field much more.
You all have some good memories on the kids we dabbled with in recruiting with ND...interesting read...
I think, for the most part, KF has made statements over the years that "We're not Michigan", "We're not ND" when discussing recruiting...... not sure that's positive coachspeak when your getting big bucks to compete for championships.... and does explain at some level why there aren't more recruits that plop Iowa down on their list of visits.
I'm fine with Ferentz's approach in that regard. Objectively speaking, depending on what a kid is looking for, Notre Dame and Michigan have more to offer than Iowa does. That's one reason why it's more difficult to consistently win at Iowa than at those schools. If the Hawkeyes don't think they have a realistic chance of landing a kid, it doesn't make sense to spin their wheels pursuing him when there are other players out there that'll take Iowa much more seriously.
It may be strategy-worthy... not saying that... just saying those comments may not be press-worthy.
I see what you mean. Just speculating, but he may have felt a need to let the fans know why Iowa does or doesn't pursue certain players and/or have a realistic chance of landing them. It's a fine line to walk, because you don't want to send a message to the fans that you're in a class below those programs, but you also want some sort of public explanation for your recruiting strategy. Not sure there's a 100% correct way to handle that situation.
I don't see N.D.'s success as a significant negative factor in regards to Iowa's recruiting, except for maybe the trickle-down effect Todd mentioned. Like it or not, we will never consistently be on that level. There are a handful of teams that basically get their picks of recruits, and I'm afraid that's a luxury we will never realize.
I actually worry more when programs like Wisconsin, Mich St. and Purdue gain momentum. Not only are they geographically close, but it always seems like those programs tend to target the same types of athletes. Missouri is another, and, of course, we suffer when Iowa State does well, especially with Rhodes, who is an excellent recruiter.
As for appeal, I don't think Iowa should sell itself short on academics. Yes, N.D. has an outstanding academic history, but Iowa is no slouch in this department, and it seems like that gets lost in the shuffle at times.
This whole academic debate is vastly overblown. I have known idiots who graduated from ND and from Stanford and very successful people who have graduated from schools like Murray State. It's what you put into your education that's important.
Sure, the connections at schools like ND, Stanford and the Ivies can be valuable, but only if you have the right connections. If a kid from Ft. Dodge, Iowa goes to Yale, unless he is absolutely brilliant, those "connections" do not exist, because he didn't go to the "right" prep school or his family doesn't belong to the "right" clubs.
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