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Clicked on OSU, MSU, & MICH's 247 board and they are talking about it. Iowa's rivals & scout board are talking plus B1G teams in the rivals & scout board, heck even BHGP's has an article.
Seems that Marylands 247 site guy Jeff Ermann had the inside scoop to Maryland leaving the ACC so he's saying rumors are if UNC says yes, UVA will most likely follow.
B1G will be the elite basketball conference.
I don't know if this is good for the other conferences in terms of growing into mega or super conferences.
We already are...lol
I've made it pretty clear that I'm not a fan of further expansion. Sure it makes are bball conference even stronger, but further expansion continues to take away from decades worth of rivalries and make fans travel even further if they want to go to away games. Just not a fan at all.
Completely agree with this. UNC is a great school academically, would help expand the B1G brand in the southeast, is arguably one of the top three programs in college basketball history, and has had some quality football teams as well. So if the B1G is going to expand, UNC would be a great addition. That being said, when will enough be enough? Why even have conferences if this is the direction things will continue to be headed in?
A formal invitation won't be issued unless the answer is "yes." I think UVA would be a logical candidate for #16. I'm wondering if the B1G will stop at 16. Why not 20? By rounding up the AAU members of the ACC, we could cause Texas to reconsider. They are no longer tethered to A&M and the Longhorn network is a disaster. The academic side of Texas would be euphoric with at B1G affiliation. A side benefit of gutting the ACC is isolating Notre Dame.
It's an arms race and Delany is just trying to put the B1G in the best position to be ahead of the game & win out.
Lets say we add UNC & VA. Great academics, sports & TV markets. BBall conference gets solidfied as the best & wrestling is upgraded. Football, IMO, is a slight upgrade. Also as stated above it weakens the ACC who has our golden child ND.
My thoughts are we are going to super conferences & Delany wants to make sure we have a solid 20 schools, and he wants Notre Dame. Best way to get ND is to be sitting at 18 solid teams while other conferences scramble to fill 18 joe blows.
This post was edited by fuisu 14 months ago
I agree, especially the part about Notre Dame but I also don't see UNC, UVA, GT or any ACC schools joining the Big 10 or another conference until the matter of Maryland's $52M exit fee is resolved. A North Carolina superior court judge rejected the school's motion yesterday to have the exit fee waived. So it looks like UMD will have to (a) appeal, (b) buck up and pay the $52M in its entirety, (c) negotiate a lesser settlement, or (d) go to court. The ACC wants (b) or (d). Even (a) is acceptable because time is the ACC's ally--the longer the matter is delayed, the more it works in the ACC's favor to reinforce its fortress's sagging walls. But it can't afford to settle for less because it would set a dangerous precedent. That means UNC, UVA, GT will watch and wait because Maryland's outcome will tell them how much it's going to cost them if they want to get out.
I have no interest in UVA or UNC, much as I had no interest in Maryland or Rutgers. To me, all this expansion is degrading the Big Ten brand.
So we go to 16 teams, eight in each division. That means Iowa will be with Nebraska, Minnesota, Wisconsin, NW, ILL, IU and Purdue. That's great - we play them every year. That's 7 games.
Even if we go to 10 conference games, that means we play only 3 of the other eight. That means most likely we would face UM, OSU, Penn State and MSU only twice in a 6-year cycle. Is that what you really want? That's when the Big Ten ceases to be a conference and instead becomes a two-conference confederation. Eventually, it could mean the end of the Big Ten, if the two divisions go their own way, much like the old 16-team WAC.
Even worse, could Delaney decide to "outsource" Iowa and either IU or Purdue because they are not dynamic TV markets? Why not get rid of all three and bring in ND for Indiana, and Florida State and Georgia Tech? It's all about the money and the markets, right?
Be careful what you wish for...
No one's going to get kicked out of the Big 10. Serious breach of contract lawsuit just waiting to happen.
An interesting side effect of Big 10 expansion with an east coast tilt is that the East Division (or whatever they decide to call it) would technically be a mini-Big 10/ACC merger of Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers and two more ACC defectors (assume UNC and UVA). That's a loaded potato with a lot of big markets and prime recruiting states, which could turn the west division into the old Big 12 North, which could actually work in Iowa's favor because as a member of the weaker division, the Hawkeyes would have an easier path to the Big 10 championship game than the teams in the East. Basically, it would be get to Indy and take your chances on the upset.
If the ACC starts to come apart at the seams as the Big 10, SEC and Big 12 gut it, will Notre Dame finally cave in and join? If it does, would the Big 10 take a shot at Kansas, which a) is in the AAU, b) adjoins an existing Big 10 state, and c) might cash out of the Big 12 for a shot being in the best basketball conference?
I highly doubt they would allow the three biggest stadiums to reside in the same division....I think they'll need to move Michigan/MSU over to the west, probably slide IU/PU over to the east.
Very interesting point about the potential benefit to Iowa of a loaded Big Ten Eastern Division. As long as Nebraska is in Iowa's division, that division will remain relevant on a national scale. And more trips to Indy - win or lose - would make the program much easier to sell on the recruiting trail.
Regarding Notre Dame, I don't see what their motivation would be to join a conference even in that possible landscape of college football that you described. I don't think they'll ever have trouble filling out their schedule, they have their own channel and don't have to split the revenue from that, and they don't have to split the revenue from their bowl appearances either. Unless NBC backs out on Notre Dame, I don't see them joining a conference anytime soon.
True except ND has other sports besides football. Isn't that why they left the Big East and joined the ACC as a non-football member? So if the ACC imploded, what would ND do? Join the so-called "Catholic Seven" conference of the Big East's non-football playing schools? But if they did, outside of basketball, how would that affect their non-revenue/Olympic sports? It seems to me those schools would be a downgrade versus the ACC and Big 10.
And if four super conferences rise like a vengeful phoenix from the dust of the ACC, they might not be inclined to give Notre Dame a place at the table as an independent. Not when schools like Boston College Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville, Wake Forest and anyone else not absorbed by the Big 10, SEC, Big 12 and Pac-12 are excluded.
The face of college football is evolving. Why should everyone else be forced to embrace change but the game remains the same for ND? At some point, the Irish may be forced to get on the steamroller or find themselves a part of the road.
I think if it goes to four super conferences, the four conferences will come together and say to keep more money for themselves:
'1.)Our national championship game will be a final four playoffs of the four conference champs
2.)Only schedule games within teams of the four super conferences'
They will strong arm ND to choose a conference. That's if four conferences are formed. Other teams will be relatively playing a lesser division for less dough. Just my thoughts.
Regarding their other sports, I really don't think Notre Dame cares that much about them in a financial sense. Football makes the school an exponentially greater amount of money than all of those other sports combined. Even if there are four superconferences, it's not like schools outside of those conferences will stop playing sports. I doubt the long term destination of the other sports is a major concern of Notre Dame in a financial sense.
Even if we eventually end up with four superconferences, your hypothetical assumes the complete elimination of the NCAA. Otherwise, there's no way a championship would exist that doesn't give access to other programs at that level (FBS).
Also, there's way too much money to be made by including Notre Dame both in regular season games and in the championship discussion for the Irish to ever be excluded.
Lastly, even if we get to four superconferences, there would almost certainly be some type of allocation that would allow schools outside those conferences to qualify for the playoff system.
Where to start...
Do you know for sure that the Big Ten cannnot expel a member? The old Big East expelled Temple back in the '90's.
The sports that matter at ND are football, men's basketball and hockey. They pay the bills. ND already has a home for hockey (Hockey East), and the Catholic Seven would be a perfectly good home for ND basketball and all the other sports. They will not be forced into a conference unless they lose their TV contract and/or the four super conferences bust the NCAA and refuse to schedule them. And there is NO WAY UM, MSU and Purdue will agree to that, as well as USC, Boston College, etc.
Please tell me that your intent was not to compare the Big Ten and how it values it's members to that of the Big East?
No, it is not. However, five years ago could you have envisioned Maryland and Rutgers being viable candidates for membership? Our world is changing. And if its all comes down to money, then that will trump history, ethics and a whole lot of other things.
I think you're overreacting because you don't agree with expansion....but the Big Ten is looking to secure additional markets, not axe those it already has.
I would think that with the addition of Maryland and Rutgers, the BT already fits the definition of a "super conference." If they add two more teams, NC and whomever, I suppose that makes them even more "super." Now that we have a conference championship game, that would be a quarter final in the great race to the top (which I, personally,don't give a rip about). As to ND, I hope they never darken the doors of the Big Ten Conference.
Now, if the BT divides up geographically and we have Ne, Ia, Mn, Wi, Nw, IL, In, P,
I will be just fine with that. That is very nearly the Big Ten that I have come to know and love over the years. Let MI, MSU, OSU and the east coast play in their conference and we can play in ours. That would be seven nice border games with great tradition every year and a couple of cross overs...I don't really care how often we would play most of the other schools. Given their recent behavior, I don't care if we never share the field with PSU and OSU again.
As to the eastern part of the BT being "loaded." Well, sort of. They have Mi, OSU and maybe PSU...the jury is still out on that one. After that...where is the power? The west would have WI, NE, and then some teams that can and have jumped up and bitten the big dogs. Sounds like fun to me.
I know, I know...I am on a rant here. Forgive me, but I guess I am getting pretty jaded with all the "...money controls everything" conversation. I truly hope that won't be the only consideration going forward. I have seen what that attitude has done to a lot of other previously good things in this world.
Where to start, indeed.
Temple was a football-only member of the Big East Conference from 1991 until 2004. It was forced out of the league due to poor attendance averages, non-competitiveness, and a lack of commitment to the football program from university officials. I think that the Big 10 would have a very hard time making that argument about full-fledged members. Football may be the straw that stirs the drink but it's not the only ingredient. Temple played the 2005 and 2006 seasons as an independent before joining the MAC from 2007-2011. In a textbook case of what goes around comes around, Temple rejoined the Big East with football membership in the 2012 season and all other sports in 2013.
Michigan and ND's contract ends after 2014. They were scheduled to play 2015, 2016 and 2017 but Notre Dame called it off last September. http://www.mgoblue.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/092512aaa.html. They had previously agreed to take a 2-year hiatus from 2018-19. That means that after 2014 and outside of a bowl or playoff game, their rivalry is technically dead. And that's obviously regardless, contrary to your point, of what Michigan wants.
As the Big 10 moves toward 9 and possibly 10 conference games, OOC games will have to be cut. At the same time, ND's agreed to play four ACC opponents per year. Add in Navy, BC and USC and that's more than half their schedule right there. If Kansas-Missouri, Texas-Texas A&M and other storied rivalries can be trash-canned in the name of expansion, why not ND-MSU and ND-PU? Again, what makes the Irish not only immune to what's happening to other schools but masters of not only their own domain but their opponents' as well?
This post was edited by NileKinnick 14 months ago
You're right about ND-UM. But Purdue and MSU have been playing ND for going on 100 years, and both schools need ND on their schedule, way more than UM.
I've wanted UNC to be a team invited if the Big Ten insists on growing still. I really hope it stops at 16 though.
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