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How about "rat fink" ...is that acceptable?
I don't even know what that means!
Got to agree, it's pretty pathetic to call a kid a name or wish injuries on him just because he changed his decision. Idk if anyone did the injury thing in here, but I did see it somewhere else. It sucks he changed his mind, but it happens. No one seems to think kids that change their mind and then go to Iowa are scum.
It falls somewhere between "poopy head" and "scoundrel"
What's it say about Hill for not being man enough for choosing Michigan cause its the school of his dreams & saying so? Why say anything about Iowa? He wanted to soften his image for switching
He put himself in that position. I never described him as person til he switched commitments & lied in his reasoning. I was describing him as a person & it was well deserved. My statements about him earlier still stands. If it hurt his feelings, which I doubt since he's probably smitten to be going to his dream school, you can tuck him in with some warm milk.... just don't charge the warm milk to the Iowa247 site, charge it to the other one you work for
This post was edited by fuisu 19 months ago
if only this site had a popcorn eating emoticon.....
Completely agree, Todd.
I'm totally fine with saying this Todd, because I know you can respect that everyone has a differing opinion, but I don't think it is too much to ask a young man to make sure he is actually 100% sure on where he wants to be before he makes a decision. Just my opinion. Obviously, not every kid that plays in college is going to be a huge fan growing up of the school he is going to. That doesn't mean he can't fully commit himself to that school.
I guess the thing that chaps my butt, is that he just took his official visit 5 days prior, on Iowa's dime, and had a great visit and everything was "solid". I mean really, would it have killed him to act like it was a difficult decision before flipping? Did he even give the coaches an opportunity to keep him in the fold, or was it one of those "Screw it, I'm out, and I'll let my high school coach flip the script onto them" things? (That comment by his HS coach is total BS)
And while I can see his POV for flipping. Me? I would find it highly disrespectful that they contacted and offered 2 months before NSD AND as a backup to a backup recruit. And there is no way his PT time at scUM will be nearly as much as if he were here at Iowa. One or two bad plays in a game and he'll get pulled for some younger higher rated recruit who follows after him to Ann Arbor. Sadly, that could never happen here...
Good lord. We all know why the kid left. Let it go. It happens. Guys turned their backs on MAC schools all the time for Iowa =) And I'm sure they said something about those schools just to be PC. I mean, if those are not kids, then, I wonder what people would think about the things some folks are saying on here. Young men? Yeah, like college kids I would say... at the Fieldhouse after a dozen of dime-draw servings.
I can't speak for others, but Hill never said anything bad about Iowa when I interviewed him. Here were his exact words to me:
"I think Michigan was just a better fit for me academically and athletically. The degree from Michigan is second to none, and the campus life fits me better."
His coach may have said something about Hill's relationship with Iowa deteriorating in another interview, but Hill never gave me any indication of that. I'm not sure how he lied to anyone.
This post was edited by Todd Worly 19 months ago
I'm not defending anyone's statements about Hill here, but he did lie specifically to you about visiting Michigan and only admitted to it once it was already out.
Sine Missione -- Never be a spectator for unfairness or stupidity, argue for arguments sake; the grave will give plenty of time for silence.
I see what you're saying. I do think that, for the most part, the majority of recruits are 100% sure when they make their decision. But especially in cases where kids recruit early in the process, there's so much time for key elements to change between then and Signing Day, so sometimes that 100% drops. In a perfect world, recruits would all stick with their original commitment. But in a perfect world, there wouldn't be coaches "urging" them to leave after a year or two in order to free up another scholarship, coaches wouldn't go to another school days before Signing Day (or even right after Signing Day), etc. If the NCAA really wants to improve this aspect of the process, they'd implement an early signing period. Basketball has it, so there's no reason football can't as well.
You make some great points here. I'm a big fan of Coach Wilcher, but there was no need for him to say that about Iowa, whether it was true or not, especially since he's got two players currently on the team (Lile and Taylor). Also, that's an indirect dig at Coach Campbell, a guy that all the Cass kids absolutely love, and a guy with deep ties to Michigan just like Wilcher does. So that really made no sense to me for Wilcher to say that, true or not. To be fair, I don't think Delano himself had anything to do with that. He didn't say anything about that stuff to me.
I was mildly surprised that he flipped so soon. Like you said, I thought the fact that Michigan waited so long to offer would make him think long and hard about it. And as I mentioned elsewhere, it's not like Michigan had been recruiting him for several months beforehand. There really hadn't been much contact at all, even before he committed to Iowa. I think the fact that he has so many current teammates committed to Michigan, and so many former teammates already there really played a major role. In a way, the "best" players from Cass Tech go to Michigan. I can see, from his perspective, that this could have been his validation as being part of that tier of players.
This is another idea they really do need to get off their asses and implement. There is absolutely zero defense for not having done it yet, if schools can offer kids as high school sophomores and accept commitments, then there should be an early signing period to keep some of these guys on board. I'm not saying that sophomores should sign with schools, but maybe have the signing period begin 6 months earlier than it currently does to make it harder for some of the bigger schools to steal backup recruits, but also (in cohesion with a 4-year scholarship) it would give some players to ensure they have a spot.
Good point, but I assumed the post I was replying to was referring to his actual commitment to Michigan.
As for the actual visit, I understand he was in a tough spot. He could have handled it better, obviously, but I see where he was coming from. In that situation, some recruits will tell me the truth, but just ask that I don't report it yet. Delano should/could have done that, but probably didn't think of doing so.
Completely agree with you all around. No reason the NCAA couldn't have done that by now. A July 1 or August 1 Signing Day would go a long way toward giving both sides more security and clarity.
I don't like this type of thinking. Players shouldn't feel like they need to "validate" anything about being one of the best players to come out of the school. For one thing, he's already committed to play D-1 football and even more on that point is that he's going to a B1G school with a good history of success on the field and a great history of success with DB's. Secondly is that the offer from Michigan itself is all the validation he would ever truly need as "I had a full scholarship opportunity to play at Michigan" is nothing that can be taken away him, but the fact that they offered him so late and in such an obvious backup plan situation, should've motivated him even more and is something that he could've kept in the back of his mind for his entire career. Now instead he get's to go to Michigan, yeah great, but he also gets to know "Hey, the only reason I got an offer from Michigan is because the coaches missed on 2 or more other recruits."
I think a July signing date makes the most sense because IIRC some states begin their high school seasons before August 1st.
I don't disagree with anything you're saying here, just presenting a possible factor that might have played a role in his decision.
True, some states do begin practice that last week in July. July 15 might be a nice option, because that would give the recruits 2-3 weeks after the majority of the camps take place in June.
I am 100% in favor of an early signing period. I spoke with Gary Barta about this earlier this year. We both like the idea of having an early period, but with the caveat that if you sign early and then the coach leaves, prior to the February period, you could be freed up to sign anywhere. This protects the players interest as well as the schools.
If memory serves me correct, at the NCAA coaches convention in 2011, this came up for a vote and failed. I also believe it was the SEC and Southern schools that had the greatest objections.
It's time that this gets done as it is another thing that the Northern schools can do to compete more in the recruiting wars. It's much tougher to schedule visits December-January if kids have to fly to visits i.e. weather, Holidays, etc. The Southern schools generally benefit in this scenario, plus it's more common to flip and announce late in SEC country.
I completely agree that there should be an early signing day. If a kid doesn't sign on that day when he is "committed" to a school, it would sure say a hell of a lot about how committed he really is to that school. The NCAA needs to get this done. There is no reason there shouldn't be an early signing period for football as well.
I like that caveat you included. And like you said, this could help the northern schools swing the momentum back in their favor.
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