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I was thinking the same thing...after a 2nd crap season in a row, its no wonder he would consider Michigan even more strongly.
I agree that that season was a golden opportunity for Iowa. The program was getting more hype and publicity at the beginning of the season than it'd gotten in a very long time, and the pieces were in place for another quality season. Had the Hawkeyes been able to win 10+ games that year, I think Iowa could have taken that next step in terms of national perception on the recruiting trail.
That being said, I'm not sure how much that would've helped with Kenney and Hill in particular. With Kenney's dad at IU, I think the key was for the Hoosiers to show some signs of life. The fact that they demonstrated on the field that they're improving really helped their cause with Kenney.
And with a recruit from Detroit, it'll be very difficult for Iowa to overcome a Michigan offer. If Michigan were still struggling as they did in Rich Rodriguez's first two years, and Iowa was churning out 9-10 wins per year on a regular basis, then it would be more realistic. But with Michigan seemingly having righted the ship under Hoke, that's more difficult now.
Iowa suffered in 2012 from 2 things personnel-wise:
1). An inability to throw the ball effectively
2). The lack of anything approaching athleticism in the defensive front 7.
The class of 2013 was all about addressing those needs for me.......nothing else.
It "looks like" they will have a nice haul in the WR spots (QB is all about what they have emerging)
However; the loss of Kenney was crippling-if for no other reason that knowing early on his leaving was fait accompli-they had no apparent Plan B, and still don't.
Yes or no on Hill isn't going to change that.
Herk you know I am usually pretty pumped about most classes and have berated me over it a few times. While I still like some of the recruits in this class, the loss of Kenney and Hill is like a punch in the gut that knocks the wind out of you. What was a class i was very excited about now is just meh unless they can land some gems in the coming weeks.
Gold medals aren't really made of gold. They're made of sweat, determination, and a hard-to-find alloy called guts.
It will be interesting to see if Iowa can flip Gourdine. They really need a true safety and he is even more of a true safety than Hill. If they can get Gourdine to switch, I'm not that upset by Hill going to his homestate school with this friends. Good luck to him. If Michigan had offered earlier, Iowa would have been dealing with this issue months ago anyway.
The reality is Hill was gone the minute Michigan offered. It reminds me of Brian Smith when Notre Dame came in late in the process.
I do agree that this hurts less than Kenney. We have some nice young talent at safety, but DE is, and continues to be, a real sore spot in terms of recruiting. The defense we run absolutely relies on pressure from the front four, and if we can't bring in some edge talent, we will continue to suffer. At this point, Doyle is going to have to work some miracles with the developmental guys at that position. We really need a full-court press on Obasih right now.
This post was edited by DieHardHawk 16 months ago
This is an excellent point, and I remember having a similar thought as soon as that season ended. The failure of the 2010 squad to even come close to living up to expectations will haunt this program for a long time, and may ultimately be viewed as the catalyst for the downward turn of the program and KF's career.
It's baffling to me how poorly the Iowa staff recruits DE's. It is arguable are biggest need in this class and outside of 1 commit who we lost, they haven't really been in on anyone. Do we even have an offer out to a DE that we have a remote chance at landing? I'd be scouring the Juco ranks for a good DE and flat out tell them how crappy our DE's are at getting to the QB and say there is immediate playing time for the taking. Not likey they don't have plenty of time to recruit right now.
I want to clarify real quick my comment about being poor at recruiting DE's. I mean recently. They haven't signed a really good DE out of HS since Clayborn and Ballard. The past few classes we have whiffed big time at DE. Mostly lightly recruited players and projects.
I think Reggie Spearman will eventually end up at defensive end. I agree that Obasih needs to be a top target now.
This right here.
Sine Missione -- Never be a spectator for unfairness or stupidity, argue for arguments sake; the grave will give plenty of time for silence.
I completely agree on two of the points just made. Obasih needs to have the full court press put on him. That staff has been dismantled pretty much and he will have very little familiarity with the staff now, if any. He liked Iowa and has connections here.
Also, if Reggie Spearman were to commit, I think he ends up at DE as well. He has the size and frame to add a little weight and me a menacing speed-rusher.
I see him as being similar to Melvin Spears.
Couldn't agree more
Just read an article where Cass Tech head coach Thomas Wilcher stated that the relationship between Hill and Iowa Coaches had started to deteriorate in the last couple weeks. Any idea why?
-----Cant link the article on this site.
Maybe because he was two timing them.
Thats his dream school and he's got buddys there. I can assure you it wasnt cause Iowa forgot their P's & Q's when talking to him. Admit your going to Michigan cause its Michigan and don't find a scapegoat reason.
EDIT: Feel free to criticize the decision, but there's no need to call a high school kid names. You're better than that. - TW
This post was edited by Todd Worly 16 months ago
Can you blame him?
Its like he met a girl online and her profile pic was from 2009. Since then she has packed on 40 lbs and decided to try short hair.
Instead he went with the most winning girl in the history of women. She also lives next door.
Iowa's program is a dumpster fire and its looking like the fire dept isnt showing up. Michigan is on the rise and quite frankly their HC seems like a great guy to play for.
This post was edited by KFSuperStar 16 months ago
You don't really believe that do you?
I never said I blamed him. I understand his reasons. But if you aren't 100% certain that you are going to go to a school, you should not commit. Yes, I'm saying this to people who leave Iowa and to those that leave other schools to come to Iowa. If you aren't sure, don't do it. I understand some of the lesser recruited kids need to commit early to an offer to make sure they have a spot somewhere, but a kid like Delano knew there was a chance that a team like Michigan would come calling. He shouldn't have told Iowa he was theirs if he knew he'd rather be at Michigan.
While it wasn't D-1, I went through a recruitment process for another sport in HS. I verballed to a school during my senior year, knowing there was a chance someone better would come calling. When they did, I didn't go running to them and ditching the school that I had given my word to. This isn't to say i'm a better man than the kids that back out repeatedly nowadays, I'm just saying while it might be a difficult decision, it's not impossible to turn down a "better" offer to keep your word. Plenty of recruits do it every year.
I don't wish anything bad in Hill as far is injuries or otherwise, but I hope he never sees the field as a Wolverine. Sorry, love my Hawks and I'll always back them. No matter what.
End of rant.
I honestly never got that impression. That wouldn't even make sense, since his visit to Iowa went very well, and after the most recent in-home visit (before Michigan offered), Hill publicly stated that he was 100% set on Iowa.
Surprisingly, Michigan really didn't recruit Hill at all until very recently. For example, Kenton Gibbs (another Cass Tech prospect) was at least in the mix for a Michigan offer for awhile, but they eventually backed off. Michigan at least stayed in contact with Gibbs, asked him to visit, etc. They didn't do any of that with Hill, either before or after he committed to Iowa. So until very recently, I don't think he had any idea that Michigan was going to offer. Additionally, I don't think he would've flipped to just any school. The fact that it was the hometown school where his high school coach played and a number of his former teammates play was a major factor.
Also, I think it's a little unfair to expect every kid to maintain his original commitment. Growing up in Columbus, if Ohio State had offered me, I would have committed there. But let's say I didn't hear from Ohio State until later in the process, and I had committed to Illinois or Purdue. Would I have turned down OSU if they offered me late? I really don't know, but I can't begrudge a kid, especially when he's local, for doing what Hill did.
Also, aside from the in-state guys that dream of playing for Iowa, most Hawkeye signees in any given year would have been at least extremely tempted to flip to another school had the right school offered, even if they'd already committed to Iowa. If OSU had offered Sean Draper, if Michigan had offered Laron Taylor or Ruben Lile, if Nebraska had offered Drew Ott (before it reached the point where he absolutely hated them ), I would've expected all of those guys to flip. Unfortunately, that's just the nature of where Iowa stands in college football right now, and that's another factor that makes it more difficult to recruit to Iowa.
Lastly, things are changing on the ground by the hour when it comes to recruiting. Coaches are free to leave whenever they want, they're free to change the offensive/defensive scheme whenever they want, and they're free to offer/accept commitments from whoever they want at any time. Some very important things can change between the day a kid commits and the day he signs his LOI. So as long as a kid handles it the right way, I understand where they're coming from *in certain situations* when they flip to another school.
Can we not refer to these people that are 6ft 200lbs & play a very violent sport as kids? Young men yes, kids no. If he can't handle being called a dbag for lying than he won't make it long in B1G football.... especially according to you on how rough coaches are mentally ala Kaz/NFL.
Even if he's a young man, I still don't think it's necessary to call him names. Criticize his decision, criticize his abilities as a player, etc. Those are all fair game, and anyone who aspires to play or coach at the BCS level knows that. But I don't think it's unreasonable to ask that it stop there.
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