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Interesting read during a dead period
With change all over the place for the Iowa Hawkeyes and the Big Ten Conference, rivalries will take interesting turns in the near future...
Thanks for sharing. Can't really argue too much with the order they have it in. It'll be interesting to see how intense the Iowa-Nebraska rivalry becomes in the coming years.
I think they had Ohio State too high, yes I hate them but if we never had to play them again I'd be fine.
Understandable. Would you switch Ohio State and Penn State on that list?
I'd want to switch Illinois & OSU but bump up PSU....
Personally I'm already giving up on the PSU as a rivalry I don't see us playing them again for a long time.
That makes sense. It's difficult to make a list like that, especially when you're trying to predict the future B1G schedule and how that will affect the rivalries moving forward.
Aw, man, that hurts.
Any writer that puts Illinois 10th on the list and behind Purdue on the rivalry list obviously knows nothing about Iowa football. Just because Iowa hasn't played Illinois much in the recent past has no bearing on what the fans want. I'm not saying Illinois is by any means at the top of the list or anywhere near it, but 10th and behind Purdue is a joke.
For me, personally, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois and Penn State are about the same. I am a little indifferent, as long as we don't lose. Michigan and Michigan state games I love, because they usually are good, competitive games and we win as much as we lose, so I feel like we have a chance. Minnesota, Wisconsin, Nebraska and Northwestern for me are the border rivalry games I get up for. I hate Ohio State. Hate them. I wouldn't p*ss on Urban Meyer or Jim Tressel or Mike Vrabel or several others if they were on fire. And it's because we either get our a$$es kicked or lose by a point, but we barely ever win. That school has broken my heart too many times. I cheer for the SEC schools when they play Ohio State, and ask them to put the throttle down. Shallow? Yes. Honest. Yes. Perhaps even a little jealous of their success and wish Iowa would step up to their level? Begrudgingly, yes. Man, I hate Ohio State. Whew, I need an aspirin and a beer probably...
Nice rant Denverhawk, now you've got me riled up!
Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, USC, and all Florida teams.........the schools I cheer against the most. Maybe Alabama will be added to my list soon. Oh wait, I forgot Texas, Oklahoma, Iowa State, and some others. It is heck to be filled with so much hate.
Not saying I agree, but I think the writer did that for two reasons: 1) Purdue and Iowa have actually been playing regularly, including a heartbreaking loss in Iowa City in 2012, and 2) He might think the Illinois program is in such bad shape that it's not really a legitimate rival for anyone.
Again, I agree with you here that Illinois needs to be ahead of Purdue, but he may have put extra weight on those two factors.
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I love the passion of this post. To me, that's one thing that makes sports in general, and college football in particular, so great - the passion it brings out in the fans.
I think something that's both sad and significant about this list is that Wisconsin is #1. Sad because it's a valued rivalry that was unceremoniously dumped curbside when the B1G went to divisions in exchange for what...a contrived "rivalry" with Purdue? And significant because it's emblematic of how I believe the B1G is losing its identity because by focusing on money, it's ignored what's important to the fans. Growth doesn't have to only come from mergers and acquisitions and hostile takeovers; brands can be grown organically, from within, from schools' existing fan bases. Fans will come out on a cold, rainy November Saturday for a rivalry game because it's a game that's always meant something to them. Traditions matter. Stadiums are more electric, great environments for both fans and recruits. But the bigger and more spread out the B1G gets, the less passionate fans will get because their teams are playing opponents that they just can't get fired up for. That's why going to an east/west divisional alignment makes so much sense. It lets the schools' geographical proximity to one another help fuel the fire of their fans' and players' passions.
With an east/west realignment, Iowa will lose Michigan--because Ohio State and Michigan want to be in the same division and what OSU-UM want, we get--and probably MSU but you'll pick up Wisconsin, Illinois and probably Purdue while keeping Nebraska, Minnesota, and Northwestern. That puts five of those six rivals within 3-4 hours drive of Iowa's borders. There isn't be another B1G team that will be situated that close to as many as 5 of its 6 divisional rivals. Even Purdue as the farthest away is only 5½ hours from Iowa City. And that could make Iowa City's centralized location an asset instead of a burden, as well as bring some clarity to Ferentz's circle the wagons/tighten the belt recruiting strategy.
You make a great point regarding the possibly reduced enthusiasm among the fan bases for some of the new matchups we might see. With that in mind, I could see the B1G making sure that the last 3-4 conference games every season are intra-division games for each team. That should help alleviate that problem to a certain extent. Also, I think the loyalty of the fans is being taken for granted here. At most schools in this conference, the fan base will be in the stadium or have their eyes glued to the TV no matter who their team is playing, especially if it's a conference game.
Just speculating here, but I think one major reason Iowa is putting extra emphasis "locally" when it comes to recruiting is because the Hawkeyes have lost so many top recruits from further away due in large part to their inability to take an unofficial visit to Iowa City on their own dime. You can do everything perfectly in a kid's recruitment, but if he can't afford to visit on his own dime, you'll have an uphill battle on your hands if schools closer to him are as interested as you are.
But aren't those travel expense hardships shared by virtually every school? How do Michigan and Ohio State get kids from Florida and Georgia and Texas to visit but Iowa can't? It can't be strictly economic. Or at least not uniquely economic to Iowa. Ohio State got an NSD commitment from a 5-star safety from Tennessee who never stepped foot on campus until mid-January. He grew up a Vols fan and took a half-dozen unofficial visits plus an OV to Alabama. He was supposed to go to the OSU-Michigan game but couldn't make it because it kicked off at noon and he had a playoff game the night before and couldn't get to Columbus in time and cancelled; he went to Alabama-Auburn instead. Schools can't comment on recruits until they've signed their LOIs but Meyer had to be seething at losing an opportunity to host a 5-star OOS at The Game. But Meyer had recruited him for a year and refused to give up, just kept pushing until finally the kid used one of his 5 OVs to visit Columbus. He said his heart said go to Tennessee but his head said Ohio State.
Vonn Bell's recruitment probably had a lot to do with Meyer urging the coaches to petition the B1G to remove its moratorium on night games in November. By pushing the games that matter most into the evening, they become a) more exciting, and b) easier for recruits to get to and from. With a 9-10 hour drive, an Ohio kid isn't going to make a noon kickoff in Kinnick but he could make a 7 p.m. kickoff.
To a certain extent, yes, but I do think it's more difficult for Iowa than for OSU and Michigan. Both schools have a lot more talent within their state than Iowa does, and it's not even close, with Ohio having more than Michigan does. And if you look at the states bordering OSU and Michigan, that accounts for a lot more talent there as well. On the other hand, Iowa doesn't produce much high school talent relative to Ohio and Michigan, and neither do the states bordering Iowa. While OSU and Michigan recruit beyond the states immediately bordering their state, they do so by choice, whereas Iowa has to in order to even hope to be competitive.
Another factor is that there aren't any big airports in or around Iowa City, while OSU has Columbus and Michigan has Detroit. For unofficial visits, that alone often makes a trip to Iowa City more expensive than a trip to OSU or Michigan for visitors that need to fly. At the very least, even if it's not more expensive, it'll likely take longer (with very few nonstop flights available), which can sometimes make it more difficult for a recruit to fit it into his schedule. This also hurts Iowa for official visits, because if a kid plays on Friday night, it can be a nightmare trying to get him on campus for an 11 am kickoff on Saturday.
Additionally, OSU and Michigan are two of the most prominent programs in the country. Recruits from all over the country are naturally interested right off the bat because of that. Iowa doesn't have that same level of tradition/exposure, so the Hawkeyes are typically starting from scratch with recruits from far away, which makes it that much more difficult to get them on campus for a visit.
Lastly, Iowa has to fight the stigma of being in Iowa, to put it bluntly. Being from Ohio, I know OSU does as well, to a certain extent. But I think it's even worse for Iowa, as a lot of kids from different parts of the country assume it's in the middle of nowhere.
This post was edited by Todd Worly 14 months ago
This, and upvoted too.
I lived in central Illinois for 6.5 years, and Illini fans are hard to figure out. On paper, NW is supposed to be their big "rival", but I can tell you it isn't so. They have trophy games with OSU and Purdue, but I would describe neither as a big rival. Probably, Illini fans think of Missouri first, and then Iowa, with a small i, mostly because of the bad blood with the Hawkeyes over the years and penis envy.
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