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No more Legends and Leaders?
I wonder if there's anyone, anywhere, that wants it to stay Legends and Leaders.
This could be the real reason behind the additions of Rutgers and Maryland to the B1G. Gave B1G office good cover and reason to change the two goofiest division names ever imagined and implemented. Good ridance to Legends and Leaders!
I like it.
Thank goodness we get to keep Purdue! Would have hated to see our most storied rivalry go away - (imagine bullet dodging emoticon)
Wow the east division is stacked.
It's pretty top-heavy. I think the West is deeper.
dang it...and i was really starting to almost hate our protected rival
It's tough to say. Over the course of history, Ohio State and Michigan have proven that they're the two most consistently good teams in the conference, and I assume that's what you're referring to when saying the East is top-heavy. If this were 8-10 years ago, the East would be much better and deeper. But there's no telling at this point what will happen with Penn State. It's difficult to imagine them being a serious contender for the conference title anytime soon, and it may take a long time before that program is anywhere near where it used to be. On the other hand, no one expected the Nittany Lions to go 8-4 this year, so I guess you never really know. But if Penn State gradually regresses to a sub-.500 team year after year and stays around that level for at least the next 6-8 years, then the East doesn't look nearly as good. This past year aside, Michigan State seems to be on the rise, so that definitely strengthens the East. But it's also possible that last year's 7-6 season is the beginning of a downward slide for the Spartans.
Iowa, Wisconsin and Northwestern are three wildcards in the West. Can Iowa become an 8+ win team every year once again? Can the Badgers sustain their recent success under the new regime? Can Northwestern be anywhere near as good as they were in 2012 on a regular basis? If Iowa stays down, and Northwestern and Wisconsin fall back, then the West would several notches weaker than the East. So I think there are multiple question marks in both divisions.
Just to add another thought to that last post, if Penn State and Michigan State fall back, and Rutgers and Maryland don't exactly light the world on fire after moving to the B1G, the West would have the potential to be much deeper if Northwestern and Wisconsin maintain their current level and Iowa reemerges. Lots of question marks in both divisions though.
Always just one or two violation or disciplinary scandals away from rearranging the power structure of either division. As the pressure and stakes keep getting higher and higher to win and the rules and regulations continue to grow and get more intricate, college-age athletes sometimes doing what college-age kids do for fun, early draft departures, etc., there will be inevitable shifts in the balance. Alas, none of the above ever seem to have much affect on osu or Michigan.
Teams will be up and down for the most part over the years - the key IMO is that each division has real rivalries - and most of those are created through the proximity of each fan base to the other - I'm glad that Connie is back on Iowa's schedule and have always thought Iowa v Illinois should be a bigger rivalry. I'm happy with the realignment - Purdont seems to be the school pulled from natural rivalries!
Something had to give and looks like it was the state of Indiana. But IU-PU will likely become the B1G's only protected crossover rivalry.
Yep, that article said the only protected cross-over game will be Purdue-Indiana.
Hmmm..... Well not sure I see IU winning anytime soon.
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I'm really interested to see how much the Hoosiers improve defensively over the next 2-3 years. Especially if Latham, Kenney and Allen all pan out, Indiana will have the potential to take its program to another level.
I am interested as well. They have tons of offensive talent. But there isn't a school that would benefit more if the B1G expanded east because it would likely get bumped to the west.
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The West isn't deeper. Just more average teams.
The East has only four quality programs--PSU, OSU, MSU, Mich. The West has six quality programs--everyone but MInnesota. Maybe we disagree about the definition of "deep."
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Or perhaps on quality. The East has the teams who are traditionally among the nation's best. The West, not so much, other than Nebraska from long ago. Wisconsin will be an unknown - they could emerge as a periennal power, but I doubt it.
I think there are a lot of unknowns in both divisions right now. It may take a long time before Penn State is anywhere close to a serious contender for the conference title again. Rutgers and Maryland have each had good years here and there, but they've done so against lesser competition. Michigan State just had an extremely disappointing year, so it remains to be seen whether or not they can bounce back from that. In the West, can Nebraska break through and become a top-10 program once again? What will Wisconsin do under the new regime? Is Minnesota a program on the rise? Can Iowa bounce back? Can Northwestern continue to win 8+ games per year given the higher academic standards they are forced to recruit with?
I don't know if this has been stated anywhere else, but I don't see this as a good thing for Iowa recruiting at all. It puts all of the weakest states (except for Illinois), as far as talent is concerned, in the same half of the conference. In fact the lowest three D-1 talent producing states in the West (Iowa, Nebraska, and Minny) combined to produce fewer D-1 football players than the lowest single state in the East (Indiana) and the West has to share that state with IU.
(according to the National Federation of High School Sports)
East = 388 D-1 recruits out of 190,426 players
West = 154 D-1 recruits out of 157,559
East's best two states are Ohio = 144 D-1 recruits and Pennsylvania = 60 D-1 recruits
***Ohio State is the flagship institution in the state and doesn't have any other conference schools to compete for recruits. Pennsylvania is also the flagship institution in the state and also doesn't have any other conference schools to compete for recruits
West's best two state are Illinois = 73 D-1 recruits and Indiana = 31 D-1 recruits
***Illinois is the flagship institution (I guess) in the state, but has Northwestern to compete for in-state recruits. Notre Dame has first pick of Indiana recruits and then Purdue has to share what's left with IU, which is in the other half of the conference.
I realize there are more D-1 institutions overall to compete for D-1 recruits in the east, but, all in all, the east has a HUGE advantage regarding proximity to top high school talent. These numbers don't even show the numbers of talent in neighboring states. One of the few nuggets that Iowa used to be able to dangle in front of recruits from the east was that at least you would be able to play in front of your family and friends a couple of times during your career, but now Iowa can't even claim that. I don't see how this is anything but a huge loss for Iowa's recruiting.
Very insightful. That's why I've been saying Iowa needs to look at Texas and Florida. There's more than enough talent in those two states to go around. They each crank out more D-1 recruits than Ohio, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana and Michigan combined.
Great breakdown here. The numbers are pretty telling here. I think everything you've pointed out here goes a long way toward explaining why Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State have traditionally been as good as they have been - they've got significant recruiting advantages over all of the other B1G schools. In that respect, nothing is really changing now, with the possible exception that there will be more prospects available for a school like Iowa due to OSU recruiting more nationally and Penn State's sanctions.
If you look at Iowa's new division, there aren't any schools that have a significant inherent recruiting advantage over the Hawkeyes. The only two possibilities would be Nebraska (due to tradition) and Illinois (due to high school talent in the state). However, if Iowa returns to winning 8-9 games a year, I think the Hawkeyes are capable of being pretty even with Nebraska when it comes to recruiting kids from B1G states (landing recruits out of Texas, California, and other areas out of B1G country where the Huskers have a presence may be a different story). If Illinois could ever win consistently, the Illini could really build something special, as there's a good amount of talent in that state, and most of those kids go elsewhere for college. The good news for Iowa is that it doesn't appear that Illinois is very close to that level at this point.
I agree that losing the sales pitch of being able to play two games close to home during your career may hurt Iowa, but I'm not sure how much. As I mentioned in another thread, I think a lot of kids that grew up watching B1G football are mainly concerned with having an opportunity to play in that conference and for/against the teams they grew up watching. Having a chance to play at Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, etc is obviously enticing for kids from those states, but I don't think it'll be a deciding factor for too many prospects.
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