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sad that Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio State, Nebraska didn't show up on January 1.
I scoff at this notion and am so, so happy tonite.
'Texan by birth, Hawkeye by the Grace of God'
Personally, I am so not a conference "rah-rah" guy. I spend the whole year rooting against these teams, and I just can't switch it off. I don't care how other people look at our conference. The 2008 season, where Iowa was the lone team to win their bowl game, against the SEC, I was at my happiest.
Ohio..........I'm with you on that one, too. That was a very cool thing, in 2008, when Iowa was the only team to
Man-UP and Represent for the Big Ten conf.
I was pleased to see that NW did beat Miss state. But then, that putz, Fitzgerald gets on
National tv and starts his weepy, go kats crap........my being pleased didn't last long.
I'm the same way Ohio.
I cheer against Wisconsin and Nebraska ALWAYS...this is due more to personal reasons, and not just because they're rivals.
I was cheering for both Northwestern and Michigan to win today...and I'd probably have cheered for Purdue as well, but I didn't even realize they played today until I seen the highlights on ESPN a few min ago.
The Big Ten has an image problem nationally. After the dismal season the conference had, they desperately needed a solid showing during bowl season to help address that perception. Coaches from other conferences will now have it that much easier in recruiting against Big Ten schools - including Iowa - in part because of the conference's image issues.
As long as Iowa is a member of the Big Ten every member of the fan base should be rooting for the BIg Ten come bowl season. To each their own, but rooting against the BIg Ten is like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
I understand what some of you are saying here, but I agree with Todd B on this. Perception is reality, and that's even more true when it comes to a sport that's as subjective as college football. The public perception of the B1G impacts Iowa on the recruiting trail, where Iowa is ranked, which bowl Iowa is selected for and (in the future) whether or not Iowa makes the playoffs.
I seen a stat yesterday in reference to the Big 10 vs SEC mathups on New Years Day in the BCS era, 1998 to present. The SEC has a slight edge at 21 wins to 17 for the Big 10. It's not as bad or one sided that the media has played up. Then you look at this year, like a lot of years, the Big 10 seems to be playing their teams up in competition, which leads to bad mathups. Classic case was Iowa last year against Oklahoma and this year with Wisconsin against Stanford, though they played well. But again, it's around 21 to 17. Not as bad as ESPN plays up. Then again, they have a vested interest as they are basically the SEC spokesman.
I think most years the Big Ten usually gets matched with higher ranked teams, which has a good deal to do with the Big Ten bowl ties. I think it is great because it rarely seems that a Big Ten team gets matched up against a non BCS school in a bowl game. Then like in 2010 it was great for an unranked Iowa team to beat the #12 team in the country.
I am not saying no Big Ten plays non BCS schools anymore in bowl games, but if Iowa were to get matched with Tulsa in a bowl game, I would be a little upset, although I am more upset when they don't make a bowl game at all. But just my
Guess we will have to agree to disagree, here.
Just because the talking pinheads at espn believe the SEC is the greatest thing since sliced bread,
does not make it so.
SEC country, generally, to most folks in 'flyover' USA, is best known for: a) cheating/low academic requirements, b) over-recruiting
c) few Dentists and d) did I mention cheating?.
The Big Ten is the DOMINANT basketball conference and has outstanding athletic reputations, across the board.
And also has a Plethora of NFL stars, such as Tom Brady, JJ Watt, Russell Wilson , Marshall Yanda, Eric Decker, etc. etc.
ESPN and the media pinheads, who don't like the BTN have their vested interest in knocking the Big Ten, every chance they can.
Therefore, I'll stick with my initial notion. Reality is reality and to believe anything coming out of espn, or SEC country, without
LOTS and LOTS of scrutiny just isn't wise.
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Maybe they can use the fact that the B1G was 5-2 ATS in bowl games this year. Other than that, I am shocked the B1G did as well as it did, going 2-5. NW was the one that I said would have the best chance, but I never thought that Miss St's QB would be playing for them either.
I could not agree more. Like it or not, Iowa will sink or swim as well or poorly as the Big Ten sinks or swims. A good bowl season for the Big Ten helps all Big Ten Members on the recruiting trail. I never like to lose a recruit to another Big Ten school, (Like Kenney to Indiana) but we are better off losing a recruit to another Big Ten School, than to a non Big Ten school. A player at any other conference's school outside of the Big Ten diminishes the prestige of the Big Ten. Any player at a Big Ten school, that makes news in a positive manner, enhances the Big Ten's reputation, which reflects well on Iowa. We are all in this race together. I may hate The Buckeyes Guts when we play them and pull against them every game during the regular season, but I am 100% in their corner when/if they play for a national Championship, because an Iowa loss to the National Champion sure looks better than a loss to an also ran.
Iowa's results on the field the last three years will have a far greater impact on recruiting than the results of the B1G during bowl season....to think otherwise is fallacy imo.
I agree all around - it's nowhere near the disparity ESPN would like everyone to believe. 2006, which is the year that "proved" how much "faster" the SEC is than the B1G is a perfect example. Yes, Florida blew out Ohio State, but Wisconsin beat Arkansas and Penn State beat Tennessee.
Another factor that I think is irresponsible for the national media to not mention is that two of the B1G's best teams weren't bowl eligible. If Ohio State and Penn State were bowl eligible, then the matchups would have been more favorable all around for the B1G.
I see what you're saying, and I'm by no means one of the people claiming how untouchable the SEC is. But in college football, perception IS reality. The perception is that the SEC is much better than the B1G. That perception really hurts Iowa's (and the rest of the B1G's) reality in several different areas.
I think most people would agree that Iowa's on-field performance is extremely important, even more so than the B1G's bowl performance. But the perception of the conference as a whole definitely does play a role in recruiting and in the polls.
Just from talking to recruits, I'm often amazed at how excited they'll be when a lower-tier SEC program contacts/offers them, just because it's in the SEC. Many of these kids live in the Midwest, but the B1G doesn't carry the same clout with them.
Sure, I understand what you're saying, but to me, that is more media driven that anything else....afterall, they don't call it "ESPiN Sports SECenter" for nothing.
I know we don't "compete" with the OSU's, UM's, PSU's when it comes to recruiting due to their historic success, but just look at Wisconsin and where they're currently ranked on the recruiting charts after going to three straight BCS bowls.
We would most likely have a class ranked the same if we were having similar success....over even slightly less succes, like consistent 8-9-win seasons and January 1st bowl invites.
Alas, as has been stated here before, we're ONLY Iowa. We're never going to be "sexy" enough to compete with those southern schools and their mild weather and "academic prowess"....so we have to be content getting more 3✰'s than 4✰'s....but if we're more successful on the field, we'll still get our modest shart of 4✰'s like Wisconsin, Michigan State and Nebraska. This year's class is proving that to be the case.
Did I say anywhere that that wasn't the case? No, because that wasn't germain to the point I was making.
Of course Iowa's results ont he field are going to matter to recruits. But to think the national perception of the conference those kids will be playing in doesn't come in to play is rather naive.
Did I say anywhere that that wasn't the case? NO.
I don't know where to begin here. First, basketball doesn't pay the bills - that's the classic apples and oranges comparison. Football is king. Second, I'd hardly call Marshal Yanda or Eric Decker stars on the level of a guy like Tom Brady.
Let's ignore the SEC here for a moment. Since 2000 the Big Ten has a whopping one victory in the Rose Bowl.
As Todd W. said, perception IS reality in this case.
I love Big Ten football. I grew up and have lived in Big Ten country my whole life. I can't watch schools from the SEC, Big 12 and Pac 12 and say with a straight face there isn't a talent gap or that the level of play is the same as the Big Ten. I'm sorry. I just can't.
The best hope for Big Ten backers is that this is cyclical and that within a few years the conference will be on the rebound, similar to the short slump that basketball went through several years ago.
And, finally, those "pinheads" to which you refer didn't get their jobs by falling into them. They know what they're talking about to varying degrees but most are extremely knowledgeable guys. They certainly know more about football and the national scene than I do and I'm not threatened to admit it.
I think we agree for the most part here. The media definitely does present a certain spin on things. I give my honest opinion on all topics here, and realize I'm sometimes in the minority.
The thing is, all of these kids are 16-18 years old, and have grown up watching Sportscenter. It doesn't matter what you or I think or know. It all comes down to what the recruits think, and a lot of them place extreme significance in what the national media is saying.
Perhaps this is a big part of the reason Delany started the BTN, and is trying to get it into as many markets as possible?
And Todd, I'd never lump an honest journalist like you in with those harlots at ESPiN...
This. I always root for the B1G in bowl games/non-conference games because image does mean a lot. Of course just like anyone else I have trouble rooting for some teams, but as long as you stick with the simple mindset that you're just rooting for the B1G to do good, you don't necessarily have to root specifically for teams like Nebraska, Ohio State, Michigan State, etc.
Sine Missione -- Never be a spectator for unfairness or stupidity, argue for arguments sake; the grave will give plenty of time for silence.
Based on it's recent lack of success in the polls and bowl games, one would think the conference is heading in the same direction as cassettes, 8-track, and Beta tapes. Gotta' give them credit for the B1G network and adding teams, however, but sure hope they can do a little better on the geography, team alignments, and division names next time around.
Great point about the BTN - that's definitely a major perk. Recruits have more exposure to the B1G now than they ever have, so that certainly can't hurt. Certainly one of the best things that have happened for the conference under Delany's watch. For better or worse, ESPN still controls the message behind college football - and most sports in general - though. Until/unless the B1G starts to consistently beat the SEC in bowl games and regular season matchups, I'd be surprised if ESPN doesn't continue to bash the B1G whenever possible.
Also, who would've thought Northwestern would be arguably the most valuable team to the B1G's reputation this year? They beat a 9-win SEC Vanderbilt squad by two scores, and then beat another SEC team by two scores in the bowl game.
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