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Yep. Dallas Clark, Tony Moeaki, Scott Chandler and Brandon Myers all
caught touchdown passes in the NFL.
In a couple of years, you'll hear CJ Fiedorwicz on that kind of list.
'Texan by birth, Hawkeye by the Grace of God'
Has Stanzi played a single down this season?
Uhhh...maybe next year.
He didn't put the stats up to bring a high enough pick for what he's capable of getting. I think next year, assuming we have an adequate QB (asking a lot I know), he could get a pretty good pick. I'm not sure if he will be a 1st rounder because of his size, but he could maybe get into the 2nd or 3rd round.
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Stats don't mean doodly-squat to the NFL guys...you know that.
Stats do mean something to NFL guys. At some level you either have to show that you can produce at a high level or you have to be such a physical freak that they'll take a risk and take you as a project. You and I both know CJ wouldn't go probably in the first half of the draft because he was inconsistent this year dropping passes and honestly looking pretty slow sometimes.
Stats don't mean what you think it means to NFL guys. And he is a physical freak...6'7 265lbs and can get separation. A real QB in a real offense will utilize those stats to death in the red-zone. Can't do that at Iowa with the lame play calling we had. 18 TDs off of 38 red zone appearances. Shameful.
And the 3rd to 4th round is all I've ever said he would go...and everyone knows the offensive woes Iowa has had this year...all you need to know is the last 2 games where the Defenses were keyed on our WR's, he didn't look slow, ran great routes and caught 14 balls for 155 yards. That is the production value NFL scouts love to see. He got separation from LB's and out manned the S's.
The decision is his to make. But once he sees his draft analysis, I am telling you, I am not going to be surprised one bit if he declares. He only got 21 targets in 2011 and I don't know how many targets this past year, but from 16 to 45 receptions shows the stuff the NFL wants to see. Besides, he's a TE from that elite NFL developmental school known as Iowa.
If I'm him, I'm gone. Besides, we have tons of talent at the TE spot, let them get their turn now.
Lol so he's a physical freak simply because he's 6'7", looked good in 2 games this year, and yet has never been higher than a 3rd or 4th rounder in your opinion anyways? That doesn't make any sense. Vandendoom or not, there's no denying he wasn't playing at a high level for a good amount of the year. I admit I saw him get open and simply not thrown to on a number of plays this season, which people can and will see on tape but not the stats sheet, but you're kidding yourself if you think stats mean absolutely nothing.
If CJ has a breakout year and can show the skills he needs to for NFL scouts, I think he could be a solid 2nd rounder or possible 3rd rounder based off the premium NFL teams are starting to place on big, receiving TE's. Just look at the title of the thread, 4 former Iowa TE's alone scored TD's yesterday and that trend is just going to continue.
CJF does not need to have a "breakout" year, as you put it, to be drafted THIS YEAR in the NFL, and yeah drafted in the 3rd or 4th rounds.
Good Lord, CJF had 45 catches this year. Scott Chandler, a 4th round pick, who is also 6'7 and 260lbs had 46 catches his senior year. Tony Moeaki had 30 catches his senior, and despite his history of injuries, was a 3rd round pick. Brandon Meyers had 34 catches his senior year and was a 6th round selection. Dallas Clark, a 1st round selection, had only 43 receptions. Even Allen Reisner, and UDFA with the Vikings, had 42 catches his senior year and Brad Herman, an UDFA for Patriots, had 18 catches for his CAREER and is on the IR list for New England.
So I don't know what you are looking at for a "breakout" year. NFL scouts were drooling over him after his sophomore year with 16 catches, and now he has 45? Coming back next year for him would be a mistake. He risks another year in an offense that may very well searching for a new OC, and will be breaking in a new QB. Those aren't favorable criteria for a "breakout" year. Reality is, the threat of an injury is too great for him to come back. IF the draft analysis supports my views as a 3rd or 4th rounder, as I know it does, he needs to go and get paid. PURE AND SIMPLE.
Holding out for a "breakout" season, and possibly a 2nd round selection is not worth the risk for the long term.
Ok genius, please feel free to tell me exactly where I said that he wouldn't be drafted this year if he were to leave. I'll be waiting.
He is very likely NOT a 3rd rounder at this point. You bring up catches as your only "proof" that he's a great player (that will still only be drafted in the 3rd or 4th round in your opinion) but what you don't talk about is what those other Hawkeyes were able to do. Most of those TE's that you mentioned are/were better blockers at this point in their careers and had multiple years of pretty good production under their belt. You said it yourself that he only had 16 catches last year and 45 this year, but did you happen to watch ANY of those catches and saw what they were? A large portion of those catches were the very short routes that we saw almost every pass play and he didn't do much with the ball after he caught most of those balls, yes a part of that is to do with the bad playcalling but I know he can do better and so do NFL coaches and GM's and that's the stuff they want to see. They want to see him do something with the ball in his hands, things that we saw a great deal of with the likes of Moeaki, Meyers, Clark, etc.
I guarantee you that it does matter as well the difference between being drafted in the 2nd round vs. the 4th or maybe 5th round and I guarantee it's worth the risk financially and is a good career move on his part. The reality is the threat of injury is not that great, players who could leave early stay until their last year all the time and there's a reason for that. Sam Bradford? He's one of the few exceptions where a threat of injury was realized and he still was a 1st round pick with a bad throwing arm. CJ will be back next year because he knows it's the best decision for him and knows that injury is not likely.
This post was edited by Todd Worly 16 months ago
So sorry...my opening statement does infer that you implied that he needed a "breakout" year to be drafted this year. You didn't say that. Guess I should've made it clearer. Players do not need "breakout" campaigns to be drafted is what I am trying to convey.
However, when did I ever use the adjective "great" to describe CJF? Please show me. He has the ability to be a better pro than a college player. You wanted to talk about "stats" and I gave you stats. The fact remains that college football players who put up gaudy numbers are a penny a dozen when it comes to NOT making the NFL. Stats are not the end all be all of a player's evaluation. Its actually pretty low on the checklist. Its what he showed while getting those receptions that scouts are looking for.
Where he is drafted it is going to be 3rd to 4th. BOOK IT. Sorry to disagree, but that's OK. Its my opinion and I am welcomed to it.
As for blocking, Dallas Clark couldn't block his way out of a wet paper bag...but he was basically a WR playing TE skill wise. Moeaki wasn't much of a blocker either, for that matter. And I know you have this low opinion of CJF's blocking, but let me assure you it is above average. And the 16 catches he had in 2011, 12 came over the last 4 games. So what was he doing in the first 8?...BLOCKING.
And everybody saw what CJF can do over the last 2 games, running after that catch, after he separated himself from defenders. You know the things that coaches and GM's look for.
And your sure that CJF WILL be back? He's been asked about it. What was his answer?...basically he refused to comment if he was going to forgo his senior year or not. And that speaks volumes. Its all about the draft analysis. There are a lot of NFL teams who are going to be looking for TE's this year, and that can have a huge impact on his draft stock.
Moeaki wasn't that much of a Blocker?????
OhioHawk............did you EVER watch a Hawkeye game, when Tony Moeaki was lined-up at TE?
Did the Iowa Hawkeye EVER not run right up his *rse, EVERY time he was in the game?
Yeah, right..........Tony Moeaki was an EXCELLENT blocker and has as much to do with why he is
the starting TE for the Chiefs......moreso than his pass catching, actually.
Seen plenty of him, and never was overly impressed with his straight blocking there Sky...add 72 targets as a rookie, and its clear the Chiefs did not draft him to be a blocker.
Not impressed with Moeaki as a blocker and thinks CJF is gonna leave Iowa after 3 years and get drafted in the 3rd or 4th round based on being 6'7'' 260. Interesting thoughts.
As a Hawkeye and Chiefs fan i can tell you that Moeaki always has been and is currently an excellent blocker.
Sorry fellas, no I never considered Moeaki and "excellent" blocker...certainly better than Clark, but hes not Matt Spaeth either...and KF, all I've ever said is it would not surprise me if he goes, and its based on a little bit more than his height and weight. The fact that he refuses to answer question "Will you be back", should tell you all something...its being considered.
"However, when did I ever use the adjective "great" to describe CJF? Please show me."
- "And he is a physical freak...6'7 265lbs and can get separation. A real QB in a real offense will utilize those stats to death in the red-zone."
- "he didn't look slow, ran great routes and caught 14 balls for 155 yards. That is the production value NFL scouts love to see. He got separation from LB's and out manned the S's."
- "Besides, he's a TE from that elite NFL developmental school known as Iowa."
- You compare his number of receptions this year to past great Iowa TE's.
- "NFL scouts were drooling over him after his sophomore year"
I'm busy right now and will reply more later, but I guess from this stuff you were just alluding to CJ being "ok" rather than great. My mistake...
-Yes he is a physical freak...and can do all those things...but didn't say "great"
-simple truths...but didn't say "great"
-pure sarcasm...as Iowa seems to be more concerned at being a developmental school for the NFL, and less concerned about winning games.
-yes I did compare his stats to recent Iowa TE's who are now in the NFL...but never said "great", you said "great"
-again, just another simple truth...NFL scouts loved what they saw...but never said "great"
Never alluded to anything other than the fact that declaring for the NFL is a real choice for him to make, and gave nothing more than the reasons why. Everyone else seems to be of the opinion that he needs another year at Iowa. I just simply disagree. Time will tell.
Lol whatever dude. You're not even worth me wasting further time on with this. I guess I have to question whether or not you actually know what "allude" means, but between some of your insane arguments in this thread and your completely ridiculous amount of crying about about pulling Berkley Edwards' offer for the coaches to go after guys they think is better, just makes me question what you really know about football. Your arguments are opinion and that's about it.
Also I just noticed this quote, "And I know you have this low opinion of CJF's blocking, but let me assure you it is above average." You cry to me about putting words in YOUR mouth after you alluded to CJ being or having the ability (yet an ability no one has actually seen with consistency to this point) to be great?
I'm fairly certain most discussions on message boards are based upon opinion. There are so few absolutes in sports, that we wouldn't have anything to talk about if opinion wasn't involved.
Try reading previous posts where he guarantees things such as CJ's draft stock, NFL scouts "drooling" over him, stats mean absolutely nothing to the NFL, etc. Try reading his piss-poor attempt to use reception totals and nothing else to debunk my argument that stats DO have some factor and his disregard for any possible reasoning of becoming a better player/improving his draft stock for being reasonable answers for why he SHOULD come back.
Thank you for trying though.
I don't think its outrageous to think Fiedorowicz could leave this year.
Again putting words in my mouth. Never said that he couldn't leave, once again try reading earlier where I say that if he does he's probably not higher than a middle of the pack 4th round or 5th round pick if he leaves this year and that IMO he "should" come back to improve his draft stock or at the very least solidify his position.
Thank you for trying...again.
This post was edited by derHawkeye 16 months ago
Then where is your disagreement with Ohiohawk? It seems you guys both think he could leave this year and be a 4th round pick.
And is this a necessary comment? You can make your point without bring demeaning.
I don't know, was it necessary for you to further the pointlessness of this thread by questioning my logic without reading the thread?
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