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2016 Recruiting Could Be Interesting

  • Not to many of us were overly optimistic on getting Hilliard and/or Cornell last week, but it was cool at least being in the conversation. After Wednesday I think we are pretty much out of it for the other 4 stars we offered for 2015 so I thought I would look at the 2016 possibilities, and I am getting pretty excited about that class (I know it is early to be looking at 2016 already, but oh well...). The coaches have a chance to get some really good prospects here. Just looking in-state we have a 4/5 star in John Raridon (OG) and a high 3/4 star in Jake Heinrich (OG). When you look at the states Iowa usually recruits there is 4 star Matt Farniok (OT from South Dakota), 4 star Seth Green (QB from Minnesota), 5 star Josh King (DE from Illinois who has said he likes Iowa a lot), 3/4 star Donnie Corley (WR from Michigan who Iowa just offered), 3/4 star Sean Foster (OT from Illinois), and 4 star Kyle Taylor (ATH from Maryland and Miles Taylor's brother), I have to think Iowa has a decent chance to get a few of these guys.

    With a good showing this year (9-11 wins?), recruits will start looking at Iowa a little differently. Lets hope that is the case and next year is the year Iowa recruiting takes that step forward we have been waiting for.

  • posthawk90 said... (original post)

    Not to many of us were overly optimistic on getting Hilliard and/or Cornell last week, but it was cool at least being in the conversation. After Wednesday I think we are pretty much out of it for the other 4 stars we offered for 2015 so I thought I would look at the 2016 possibilities, and I am getting pretty excited about that class (I know it is early to be looking at 2016 already, but oh well...). The coaches have a chance to get some really good prospects here. Just looking in-state we have a 4/5 star in John Raridon (OG) and a high 3/4 star in Jake Heinrich (OG). When you look at the states Iowa usually recruits there is 4 star Matt Farniok (OT from South Dakota), 4 star Seth Green (QB from Minnesota), 5 star Josh King (DE from Illinois who has said he likes Iowa a lot), 3/4 star Donnie Corley (WR from Michigan who Iowa just offered), 3/4 star Sean Foster (OT from Illinois), and 4 star Kyle Taylor (ATH from Maryland and Miles Taylor's brother), I have to think Iowa has a decent chance to get a few of these guys.

    With a good showing this year (9-11 wins?), recruits will start looking at Iowa a little differently. Lets hope that is the case and next year is the year Iowa recruiting takes that step forward we have been waiting for.

    I agree that 2016 can be a really good recruiting class. I do think 2015 will be a very good class as well though, and very understated especially on the line. I can see the Paulsen's being stars and Waechter has a lot of potential on the O-line. Really like Boyle at QB and Cook looks like he'll be a great athlete. Throw in Newborg on the DL--big kid, great worker and great attitude--and potentially Ozigbo/Williams as underrated pickups if they were to commit--and you're looking at a class that could slide under the radar as very good.

  • Raridon could anchor Iowa's OL for years to come. Getting him could also help take the sting out of losing Pierschbacher...but he's an Iowa kid whose father and two brothers were all D-I recruits but none of them went to Iowa. That's a family trend that makes Iowa's climb a little steeper. Nebraska (dad), Notre Dame (brother) and Wisconsin (brother, Barry Alvarez) are the teams to watch. Same thing with Farniok (brother at ISU, another at Oklahoma).

    I expect Rhoads (with Allen Lazard's help) to recruit Heinrich hard...ISU is currently his only offer. He's a prototypical guard, which is a position tackle prospects can slide inside to play (but generally doesn't work in reverse) so OGs aren't often highly rated. He's a 3-star Ferentz could pass on but Rhoads can't afford to let leave the state. Urbandale also has Caleb Bright, a 6-4/275 OG.

    Keep an eye on Chariton's T.J. Hockenson. As a 6-5/208 TE last year, he had 60 catches for 931 yards and 10 TDs for a 4-5 team. He also averaged 19.4 ppg and 12.3 rpg as a 6-6 sophomore on a 21-4 team but his future's probably brighter playing football. He's now listed at 6-6/218. He visited Iowa in May.

    This post was edited by iowabuckeyes 7 days ago

  • One thing about the Raridon family is that none of them have gone to the same school so maybe family ties to a school aren't a huge deal? What positions are of need in 2016? D line could be a big one. Possibly TE?

  • Right now id say DT, TE and DB

  • Posthawk said...

    "With a good showing this year (9-11 wins?), recruits will start looking at Iowa a little differently. Lets hope that is the case and next year is the year Iowa recruiting takes that step forward we have been waiting for."

    With the relatively easy schedule this year, 9-3 would be an average team. If we can do no better than that, we are an average team. Beat no less than 2 of Pitt, Maryland, Neb, or Wisc, we are better. The 5's might start to look our way. 11-1 is the least we need for some serious lookers though, IMHO.

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  • 11-1 seems feasible. But if Iowa goes 11-1, would Ferentz change his recruiting strategy and start going hard after the 5-stars? In other words, if what he's doing now is working, why would he want to fix it? And is an 11-1 season enough reason for 2016 recruits to suddenly put Iowa on their list if it wasn't before?

    When was the last time Iowa put together a Top 10 class? 2005? From 2005-08, Iowa went 28-22. By the time they put it together in 2009 (11-2), the best players left from the 2005 class were Angerer, Moeaki, and Calloway. Meanwhile, Iowa's 2006 class, which was ranked only 35th, included Edds, Vandervelde, Spievey, Clayborn, Klug, Hunter, Stanzi, and DJK.

    My point is Ferentz has developed a formula that works pretty well. It seems to start with good citizens/solid students who fly below everyone's radar, getting them in school, redshirting them, keeping them in school, working them up the depth chart, so they're ready to step in as redshirt juniors and seniors. Conor Boffeli is a classic poster child for that plan. Start with a solid core and surround them with talented playmakers. If Iowa goes 11-1, Ferentz will have a better story to tell and a better product to sell but I don't know that he wants to completely redefine who his ideal customer is

  • Any idea for the number of schollys for 2015?

  • NoDakHawk said... (original post)

    Any idea for the number of schollys for 2015?

    15-18 is a safe bet.

  • iowabuckeyes said... (original post)

    11-1 seems feasible. But if Iowa goes 11-1, would Ferentz change his recruiting strategy and start going hard after the 5-stars? In other words, if what he's doing now is working, why would he want to fix it? And is an 11-1 season enough reason for 2016 recruits to suddenly put Iowa on their list if it wasn't before?

    When was the last time Iowa put together a Top 10 class? 2005? From 2005-08, Iowa went 28-22. By the time they put it together in 2009 (11-2), the best players left from the 2005 class were Angerer, Moeaki, and Calloway. Meanwhile, Iowa's 2006 class, which was ranked only 35th, included Edds, Vandervelde, Spievey, Clayborn, Klug, Hunter, Stanzi, and DJK.

    My point is Ferentz has developed a formula that works pretty well. It seems to start with good citizens/solid students who fly below everyone's radar, getting them in school, redshirting them, keeping them in school, working them up the depth chart, so they're ready to step in as redshirt juniors and seniors. Conor Boffeli is a classic poster child for that plan. Start with a solid core and surround them with talented playmakers. If Iowa goes 11-1, Ferentz will have a better story to tell and a better product to sell but I don't know that he wants to completely redefine who his ideal customer is

    Well stated, and I completely agree.

    I often think of the 2005 class due to just that irony. In fairness, at the time I did feel some of those players were over-rated (Particularly Ryan Bain. Not a lot of ceiling there. He was about as good as he was going to be.) The question is, did that class flame out because Kirk went outside the box and deviated from his method, or was it simply bad luck and an anomaly? Hard to say. My guess is it was a little of both. Certainly, the staff cannot be held accountable for the inordinate number of players from that class that suffered significant injuries.

    Personally, I think it is a good idea to set the bar a little higher when the program is on a roll, but I would add that the higher profile players that are recruited still need to be held to the same work-ethic and character standard that we normally follow. Continue to recruit the "type" of players we normally target, while at the same time selectively recruiting some blue-chippers that perhaps we would normally watch from afar after extending an offer and a few phone calls.

  • Thing is, Iowa isn't a "sexy" program. Never has been, never will be. That's not an insult but a compliment, an acknowledgement that Iowa's success is based on a collective commitment to teamwork, sacrifice and hard work. It's about maximum efficiency, minimizing mistakes, and producing positive results. Translation: boring but effective. The team's image mirrors the state's image--solid values and unparalleled Midwestern work ethic. Simply, there are no stars in Ferentz's system.

    Conversely, the 5-stars are the kids who've been flying high for a couple years. They're the rock stars. Iowa's more like the road crew. The 5-stars want the flash. They've become used to being in the spotlight. A lot of them are prima donnas and headcases ("...here's my top 20..."). What they want, Iowa can't deliver. And it shouldn't try. It needs to remain true to itself. I agree that if goes 11-1 it can raise the bar but I'd pass on the 5-stars. Find the 4-stars and high-end 3-stars. They're likely to be more humble and willing to work harder because they're hungrier.

  • Along the same lines, I posted a thread a year or so ago about whether or not those high-profile 5-star athletes actually have better success at the blue-blood programs.

    My theory is that there is a psychology at play where that inflated ego is best served in an environment where they feel they are no better than their peers, and, hence are more humble, motivated and focused. At programs like Iowa, I suspect they arrive with a sense of superiority and entitlement, perhaps not always intentional, that serves as a barrier to reaching their potential. Obviously, there would be exceptions, but the last thing you want in the locker room are overconfident ego-centric players messing up the chemistry.

  • KF has stated multiple times that you feel the bump from a good season 2 years down the line in recruiting so 2016 has potential.

    To me the biggest question mark is how well the new recruiting coordinator transitions. From what I've seen The Fieldhouse feels it was a good hire. I see yet another coach with few connections. He coached in Georgia a couple years which is hardly enough time to develop relationships let alone create a pipeline. I really hope we catch up with the times and have a fulltime recruiting coordinator.

    Does 2016 have potential? Yes. If history shows true Iowa will finish 50-60th in the country and 6-10 in the B1G. It is really sad considering Iowa has the most players drafted over the last 5 yrs in the B1G. Following Iowa recruiting is in the same ballpark as watching paint dry imo.

  • The team's image mirrors the state's image--solid values and unparalleled Midwestern work ethic. Simply, there are no stars in Ferentz's system.

    Conversely, the 5-stars are the kids who've been flying high for a couple years. They're the rock stars. Iowa's more like the road crew. The 5-stars want the flash. They've become used to being in the spotlight. A lot of them are prima donnas and headcases ("...here's my top 20..."). What they want, Iowa can't deliver. And it shouldn't try. It needs to remain true to itself. I agree that if goes 11-1 it can raise the bar but I'd pass on the 5-stars. Find the 4-stars and high-end 3-stars. They're likely to be more humble and willing to work harder because they're hungrier.[/quote]

    EXACTLY!! Give me an Iowa-type Woodward instead of a Hollywood=type any day of the week.

    Kudos to Iowabuckeyes for his thoughts. Don't need no gangsta' mentalities. Just the real players.

    This post was edited by goldendog 5 days ago

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  • Isn't Raridon a Nebraska legacy? Fairnok could be interesting. The crystal balls don't look so hot as of now but obviously their signing day is forever away.

  • 5-stars aren't necessary in order to be a consistent conference contender, and if we're honest with ourselves that's what Iowa should be aiming for...not national titles.

    4-stars are what we need more of, and by that I mean signing 3-4 in each class, preferably at least one at a skill position like WR or QB.

    Now, we all realize stars aren't the end-all be-all, and a high 3-star is many times just as good if not better. However, you have to play the numbers game as much as possible. Iowa just has to rack up the wins this year and I think we'll definitely see more of the higher rated kids actually sign with us and not just give us a courtesy visit and listing in their top 5.

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    Kingswood said... (original post)

    5-stars aren't necessary in order to be a consistent conference contender, and if we're honest with ourselves that's what Iowa should be aiming for...not national titles.

    4-stars are what we need more of, and by that I mean signing 3-4 in each class, preferably at least one at a skill position like WR or QB.

    Now, we all realize stars aren't the end-all be-all, and a high 3-star is many times just as good if not better. However, you have to play the numbers game as much as possible. Iowa just has to rack up the wins this year and I think we'll definitely see more of the higher rated kids actually sign with us and not just give us a courtesy visit and listing in their top 5.

    I agree here, Iowa is awesome at what they do but there is so little room for error, injuries, transfers etc due to the fact most kids need built up or are projects, need a decent core of kids that do not need a year or 2 to develop. I am starting to see more and more of it now, so I think we are headed back in to the right direction. String together a couple really good seasons and it will happen even easier.

  • HawkiBrad55 said... (original post)

    I agree here, Iowa is awesome at what they do but there is so little room for error, injuries, transfers etc due to the fact most kids need built up or are projects, need a decent core of kids that do not need a year or 2 to develop. I am starting to see more and more of it now, so I think we are headed back in to the right direction. String together a couple really good seasons and it will happen even easier.

    Yep. As a developmental program, our program is inherently fragile, and attrition can be a killer. We not only need to sign solid players, but we have to keep them.

    From 2008-2012 we lost something like 25 players to dismissal, transfer or injury. Wisconsin, during the same time period, lost something like 4 (I'm too lazy to look up the exact numbers, but those are close). I'm not sure why there is such a big disparity or what the exact issue is, but that's an area where we have to do better to stay competitive.

  • ISUhawk said... (original post)

    Isn't Raridon a Nebraska legacy? Fairnok could be interesting. The crystal balls don't look so hot as of now but obviously their signing day is forever away.

    He is.

  • Not just Nebraska but Wisconsin as his mom, Traci, was an all-state softball and track star at Southeast Polk High School who threw the shot put for the Wisconsin women’s track and field team, while his father, Scott Sr., played for Barry Alvarez at Mason City and was 1st team all-state OL in 1981. He was an offensive lineman at Nebraska after winning a state title under Alvarez in 1978. He later played for the Philadelphia Eagles and also spent time as a strength and conditioning coach at Notre Dame, where his son, Scott Jr., later played.

    Scott Jr. earned all-state honors at offensive tackle in 2001 at Mason City. Middle son Sam Raridon was a first-team selection at defensive tackle in 2012 and John Raridon earned his honors this year. Both Sam and John played for West Des Moines Valley High School.

    Scott Jr. was the Gatorade Player of the Year in Iowa for 2001 and was a three-year letterman at Notre Dame starting in 2002. Scott Jr. was selected to play in the U.S. Army All-America Bowl game his senior year. Sam, who was first-team Class 4A All-State as a junior and senior, signed to play for Wisconsin but the last I heard, he is no longer playing football.

    Dale Raridon stands in front of his family members who have earned all-state honors as Iowa high school athletes. They are (left to right) son Scott Raridon Sr., daughter-in-law Traci Raridon, son-in-law Aaron Beard, and grandsons Scott Jr., Sam and John Raridon. Sam was listed on Valley's 2012 roster at 6-3/260...assuming that's true, John's already bigger than that.

  • iowabuckeyes said... (original post)

    Thing is, Iowa isn't a "sexy" program. Never has been, never will be. That's not an insult but a compliment, an acknowledgement that Iowa's success is based on a collective commitment to teamwork, sacrifice and hard work. It's about maximum efficiency, minimizing mistakes, and producing positive results. Translation: boring but effective. The team's image mirrors the state's image--solid values and unparalleled Midwestern work ethic. Simply, there are no stars in Ferentz's system.

    Conversely, the 5-stars are the kids who've been flying high for a couple years. They're the rock stars. Iowa's more like the road crew. The 5-stars want the flash. They've become used to being in the spotlight. A lot of them are prima donnas and headcases ("...here's my top 20..."). What they want, Iowa can't deliver. And it shouldn't try. It needs to remain true to itself. I agree that if goes 11-1 it can raise the bar but I'd pass on the 5-stars. Find the 4-stars and high-end 3-stars. They're likely to be more humble and willing to work harder because they're hungrier.

    This is a very good post, and I have upvoted it.

    Where Iowa does need to succeed with the 5 and 4-stars is in Iowa, and to a lesser extent in Illinois, Minnesota and Missouri. Chasing 5-stars in places like Florida or Texas is a fool's game, unless there is a strong Iowa connection.

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