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Greg Garmon might have something to say about that. Considering Garmon isn't even on campus yet, I suspect he may not even be suspended for this, extra "substance abuse" classes I'm sure, but no suspension. Even if he is it will only be for a game at the worst.

I'm curious to know the answer to this one as well,

I have the feeling we never see Garmon on Campus (and apparently he was one week from reporting), its hard for me to believe KF has any tolerance left for behavior like this to grant a second chance.

Golden:

Cousin Eddee from Argyle will be bringing the RV up and setting it up at the usual Trailer Park just south of town. (Out near the airoport). He gets one of his kids to shuttle us up to Kinnick (think she is 14 now), so you're welcome to join the SkyHawk's at the Cyclown game.

Talk with you more later, golden.

If you want to argue with the truth, don't stray from the facts, don't make conclusions from false premises and don't make wild suppositions. Doing that just makes a pile of crap, which stinks.

I didn't say his scholarship would be pulled, you inferred it incorrectly. My point is, KF could be so sick of this character issue scenario (ARob, Dominque Douglas, Satterfield, Benny Sapp...) that he won't want to deal with it for another 4 years; but realizing he has a 4 star recruit and a young kid that could redeem himself, he may just say, "come to Iowa City, oh by the way you're competing for a spot on special teams, we need help there. I've got other RB in the stable and recruits on the way that don't make headlines for the stupid decisions they make, so until you can prove you can make better decisions, work for the team, make grades, I'll honor the offer of a scholarship. Take it or leave it." The result of such a conversation (it's alot easier to suppose this happened than a DWB stop) Garmon may choose to not even come, with a scholarship waiting! Just look at what happened to Derby after his drukeness citation, he was offered a spot with the linebackers, and choose to leave the program a semester later, while on scholarship.

Smell that?

Aside from emoticons, I don't see any disrespect from either point.

The truth is brusque, but never personal.

First off, if you don't want to anyone making "wild" suppositions, you need to be more clear. Sorry but you are then one in the wrong as far as this goes.

Second, again neither you or I have all the facts of what happened, Ferentz likely will or at the least he will have much more than us. This is a pretty minor flaw for a kid who's only "flaw" beforehand, to my knowledge, was that his body already failed him in producing non-Hodgekins Lymphoma Cancer cells instead of whatever the cells were supposed to be. EVERY one of the players Kirk Ferentz has had to dismiss from the team have either done FAR worse things than being in possession of a small amount of pot or they have multiple infractions against them, some of which we may know nothing about considering the program is pretty secretive. If Garmon makes the mistake to get into anymore trouble in the next 2-3 years, don't be surprised to see Kirk Ferentz come down hard by either dismissing him or indefinitely suspending him.

Third, I see literally no possible way that anything in your scenario happens. Even if Ferentz were a football coach stupid enough (not calling you stupid) to completely eliminate Garmon from playing RB this year, just because of this and make him only play for a spot on ST's seems like a pretty outlandish scenario to me. I would literally bet you my life, nothing in that scenario would happen besides him MAYBE playing ST's, where he has the capabilities to possibly be a return man. Even then though, I guarantee he's still mainly at RB. If you REALLY think such a, in my opinion, absolutely crazy scenario is more plausible than him being searched for DWB. Just ask Jungles about being stopped for DWB, he admitted in another thread that it has happened to him multiple times and he's only in his 30's I believe. It's really up to you however if you want to realize that police do profile against blacks in the manor of DWB or not though.

Lastly, the A.J. Derby situation is yet another false reasoning to prove your point. It is a fact that we needed more depth at LB and he had the size and skill-set to be an outstanding LB if he would agree to put his mind to it. The fact is that the coaches most likely had always wanted and planned for Derby to be a LB, however to get him here we had to agree to give him a chance at QB. The coaches presumably used his arrest, possibly a little unfairly, to convince him to make the move to LB and the reason Derby agreed to it was likely either because his scholarship may have been pulled if he wouldn't or because he may have felt there was still a chance to move back to QB if he didn't like LB.

Don't worry Truth, I'm naturally argumentative, I'll argue my point with you until death.

Der.....argue......never..lol

Yeah, I'll go ahead and set you on ignore now since you are obviously trying to get me to say something stupid and no offense, but you seem to have less sense for the happenings around things like this than even the "normal" football fan. If you are ready for any legitimate discussions of anything in particular, have another poster either send me a PM or say something in the thread for me. Until then, .

Yeah, agree with FG80, here. Facts are that said dude got caught with the chronic.
Classic case of a naive youth sqaundering opportunity of a lifetime.

I could go on and rail about the decline of the culture in America, however, I'll show restraint.

EuroCup 2012 ~! LOL

Yes, you did clarify your original argument in your SECOND post, yet at the very beginning of that 2nd post it seemed like you were trying to equate my 1st response with dog crap. I would have to assume further that you likely aren't in charge of 100+ 18-23 year old kids considering you don't seem to realize a lot of immaturity comes with the job of being a college football coach. Having to deal with immature kids comes with the job whether it's attempting to control a team of 100+ or recruiting upwards of 100+ kids every year. Any college coach who wants to even be mildly successful and not go through a ton of attrition (meaning beyond the normal, inevitable attrition), they must realize that they can't "raise the bar" for players (beyond expecting more out of seniors then freshmen) or it will hurt the team and inevitably effect their jobs.

I would disagree that this is a "gut-feeling" of yours. It seems from how you're wording your second paragraph with words like "accepting," "if," and "solace" that you are more likely over-thinking this to set yourself up for the minute possibility that Garmon would not come. Yes I will give you that there is a tiny, miniscule chance that Garmon will not come for one reason or another, it wouldn't be the first time a recruit has signed with us and decided not to ever come (see: Austin Gray), however as I showed in my first paragraph, certain levels of immaturity are expected and raising the bar so much that you are severely punishing a kid for what is probably a simple-misdemeanor level offense, is just dumb. Solace by the way has nothing to do with the situation as while I may not feel "solace" over Garmon coming, I did when he committed, I did when he signed, and I will when he get's on the field for the Iowa Hawkeyes.

I never cited any examples of Kirk NOT punished someone for a "greater" offense, for first off I never cited any example specifically and second, what I DID say was that Kirk Ferentz has not "dropped the hammer" on anyone who has committed such a minor legal infraction. What you're saying also SHOULD take into account previous history, people are naturally habitual and with the long history Kirk Ferentz has as a head coach, his discipline tactics are not likely to drastically change. Bringing AIRBHG into your argument is completely irrelevant and shows just how illogical you are being with thinking Garmon will never make it to Iowa City. To assume Garmon will never make it to Iowa City because his car may possibly break down is also very illogical.

Considering you don't seem to realize that police forces all over the country, especially in larger cities and/or other cities where there is a lot of crime, profile typically profile against minorities and the lower class in general. Whether or not the officer (who by the way never arrested them, a mistake on your part) was black, white, or whatever is irrelevant because regardless of what race or what the background is on any specific officer, they're still going to profile against lower classes with few exceptions. Therefore, this argument where you claim DWB is "bunk," never actually had any legs to stand on prior to trying to make the claim. Furthermore, my example of in my first argument is not anecdotal evidence, it is factual and known to have happened and in fact I'm sure that you can simply turn the tv on and watch one of the shows about the DEA or other drug prevention forces and see similar scenarios taking place. Considering the fact that it is tv and they don't want to make a failure of a show, much of what you will see will be a success, however not all will.

I'm confused where you're trying to go with the A.J. Derby situation as we know there, was a need at LB and in no way did I hint at some coincidence in anything I said about Derby.

I very much doubt that Barkley Hill will be a starter for the Hawkeyes unless Garmon is injured and some sort of various problems whether it being injury or more fumbling problems keep BOTH DeAndre Johnson and Damon Bullock from being starters. By the way, taking Greg Garmon's quotes out of context like that is a logical fallacy and in absolutely no way backs up your argument.

' I very much doubt that Barkley Hill will be a starter for the Hawkeyes unless Garmon is injured and some sort of various problems whether it being injury or more fumbling problems keep BOTH DeAndre Johnson and Damon Bullock from being starters. By the way, taking Greg Garmon's quotes out of context like that is a logical fallacy and in absolutely no way backs up your argument.' ----der on June 9, 2012.

Der is going to be surprised, hidin or both come the football season
I, for one, believe that Barkley Hill has a very good chance of being the Starter, this season for the
Iowa Hawkeyes.