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Ibrahim talks Pitt offer, top-2

Rachid Ibrahim

Rachid Ibrahim had established a relatively strict top-2, but Pitt jumped in with an offer on Tuesday. How will that affect Iowa's chances with the RB? Click here for more.

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    • Honestly, I prefer him as an ATH...most likely at slot WR. I think hes too tall and runs too upright to be an effective Big Ten RB,

      OhioHawk07

    • Still not sold on Ibrahim yet. For starters, the competition he is playing against is subpar. It's the lesser known private school competition -- many of them very small programs. Certainly not the powerhouses in the DC area. Just to show you how 'off the map' this program is -- the school is not even in Bethesda, it's in Gaithersburg, MD -- but every recruiting site continues to reference it as in Bethesda. I'm surprised coaches were able to find Veii and Ibrahim given the lack of attention brought to teams in this conference in comparison to the programs around them.

      A 170lb. back with 4.7 speed would impress me a lot more if he was putting up these numbers against Dunbar, Dematha, etc.

      lumuhawk

    • lumuhawk said...

      Still not sold on Ibrahim yet. For starters, the competition he is playing against is subpar. It's the lesser known private school competition -- many of them very small programs. Certainly not the powerhouses in the DC area. Just to show you how 'off the map' this program is -- the school is not even in Bethesda, it's in Gaithersburg, MD -- but every recruiting site continues to reference it as in Bethesda. I'm surprised coaches were able to find Veii and Ibrahim given the lack of attention brought to teams in this conference in comparison to the programs around them.

      A 170lb. back with 4.7 speed would impress me a lot more if he was putting up these numbers against Dunbar, Dematha, etc.

      Not disagreeing with anything you said, but Nate Meier, Drew Ott, Matthew VandeBerg, Nathan Bazata, etc aren't playing/didn't play against great competition either. All four could end up being busts, but Iowa still liked them enough to offer. I don't think a program should get ALL of their players from a school like that, but it can pay off to take a few fliers from time to time.

      Todd Worly

    • Todd Worly said...

      Not disagreeing with anything you said, but Nate Meier, Drew Ott, Matthew VandeBerg, Nathan Bazata, etc aren't playing/didn't play against great competition either. All four could end up being busts, but Iowa still liked them enough to offer. I don't think a program should get ALL of their players from a school like that, but it can pay off to take a few fliers from time to time.

      Todd, honestly, some of the players you mentioned are playing against better competition than Avalon on a given week. They truly are an unknown commodity in the area. Some of the schools they are playing against would be 1A or 2A in size in Iowa and I would take some of the Iowa players over some of the private school kids at these schools any day. Many of these kids are there strictly for the academics. I'm not sure there is a school in their conference known for its football program on a consistent basis. There are only 32 players on their entire varsity. Veii and Ibrahim probably singlehandedly are the reason Avalon has won their conference two years in a row.

      lumuhawk

    • lumuhawk said...

      Todd, honestly, some of the players you mentioned are playing against better competition than Avalon on a given week. They truly are an unknown commodity in the area. Some of the schools they are playing against would be 1A or 2A in size in Iowa and I would take some of the Iowa players over some of the private school kids at these schools any day. Many of these kids are there strictly for the academics. I'm not sure there is a school in their conference known for its football program on a consistent basis. There are only 32 players on their entire varsity. Veii and Ibrahim probably singlehandedly are the reason Avalon has won their conference two years in a row.

      Admittedly, I'm not overly familiar with their program or conference. Rachid told me that their numbers are very low, like you said, but he thinks their top 8-10 players are very good. I don't know much about the schools they play against though. He could certainly end up being a bust, but I was just pointing out that Iowa regularly takes a flier on a few kids per year, and some of them have panned out. Facing some of the recruiting obstacles that the Hawkeyes do, that's probably more of a necessity for Iowa to do than for some other programs.

      Todd Worly

    • Todd Worly said...

      Not disagreeing with anything you said, but Nate Meier, Drew Ott, Matthew VandeBerg, Nathan Bazata, etc aren't playing/didn't play against great competition either.

      Nate Meier had game film against this competition and he was 6'1 235lbs of pure muscle. Kid ran a 4.55 40 and was cleaning 320 pounds, benching 385 pounds and squatting 430 pounds.

      Drew Ott shows great potential with his 6'4 245lb frame. It might be a bit till they get weight packed on that but I could see why they liked him with his athleticism offensively and defensively. Not to mention he had a championship abilities in H.S. for track and basketball. Plus Gatorade named him POY for the state.

      Nathan has a great frame 6'2 275 and is an amazing wrestler undefeated into states.

      My point is Todd, give me a good sell on Ibrahim. Does he have an amazing deadlift, was he on a state track relay team, can he run a shuttle time?

      fuisu

    • fuisu said...

      Nate Meier had game film against this competition and he was 6'1 235lbs of pure muscle. Kid ran a 4.55 40 and was cleaning 320 pounds, benching 385 pounds and squatting 430 pounds.

      Drew Ott shows great potential with his 6'4 245lb frame. It might be a bit till they get weight packed on that but I could see why they liked him with his athleticism offensively and defensively. Not to mention he had a championship abilities in H.S. for track and basketball. Plus Gatorade named him POY for the state.

      Nathan has a great frame 6'2 275 and is an amazing wrestler undefeated into states.

      My point is Todd, give me a good sell on Ibrahim. Does he have an amazing deadlift, was he on a state track relay team, can he run a shuttle time?

      As I said in my previous post, I really like his explosiveness, change of direction and footwork. He's got the frame to play at 6'2'', 215, and combined with the attributes I listed, he could be a solid B1G running back at that point.

      I really don't pay much attention to testing numbers, because they're often extremely inaccurate, so I very rarely ask any recruits for them and/or report them. Therefore, I don't have anything for Ibrahim. I'd honestly be shocked if any of those numbers are 100% accurate for Meier. I'm not at all saying that he won't have a good career at Iowa, but I've found that the vast majority of lifting and running test numbers from recruits are significantly exaggerated.

      Todd Worly

    • Todd Worly said...

      As I said in my previous post, I really like his explosiveness, change of direction and footwork. He's got the frame to play at 6'2'', 215, and combined with the attributes I listed, he could be a solid B1G running back at that point.

      I really don't pay much attention to testing numbers, because they're often extremely inaccurate, so I very rarely ask any recruits for them and/or report them. Therefore, I don't have anything for Ibrahim. I'd honestly be shocked if any of those numbers are 100% accurate for Meier. I'm not at all saying that he won't have a good career at Iowa, but I've found that the vast majority of lifting and running test numbers from recruits are significantly exaggerated.

      I was hoping for something extra like he's a basketball stud.

      As for his numbers, I believe Nate went to state track so Im sure those numbers are accurate. And his lifting stuff isnt too amazing for someone his size of pure muscle. I know a kid thats a 155lbs and benched 330lbs in high school. Heck Cole Hessiel had amazing HS numbers and a buddy of mind coached him and wouldnt lie to me about his squat or cleans. He was smaller than Nate and did about the same for the weight room stuff, minus the bench.

      But I agree. Numbers arent everything. Christian French is a good example of this. If he was so good, why did the coach pull him when the team was down? Why did someone else have to field his catches on punts and hand it off to him and why did he feel the need to tackle from the side on every play. ARob would be another example, he didnt have world class anything but yet he always hit the right hole and played with enough heart to move the pile.

      fuisu

    • fuisu said...

      I was hoping for something extra like he's a basketball stud.

      As for his numbers, I believe Nate went to state track so Im sure those numbers are accurate. And his lifting stuff isnt too amazing for someone his size of pure muscle. I know a kid thats a 155lbs and benched 330lbs in high school. Heck Cole Hessiel had amazing HS numbers and a buddy of mind coached him and wouldnt lie to me about his squat or cleans. He was smaller than Nate and did about the same for the weight room stuff, minus the bench.

      But I agree. Numbers arent everything. Christian French is a good example of this. If he was so good, why did the coach pull him when the team was down? Why did someone else have to field his catches on punts and hand it off to him and why did he feel the need to tackle from the side on every play. ARob would be another example, he didnt have world class anything but yet he always hit the right hole and played with enough heart to move the pile.

      Well Meier's 40 time wouldn't have been taken at a track meet. Those are notorious for being exaggerated. I'd be surprised if he runs a legit 4.55 right now. That's faster than a lot of the skill position players at Iowa.

      Lifting wise, Meier's numbers could be accurate, but if I had a dime for every recruit that claims a ridiculously high bench or squat, I'd be a millionaire. From reading your posts, I know you're really big into lifting, as am I. I've had recruits send me videos of them "squatting 500 lbs," and in the video, they don't even go down half way. And there's no way that all of the recruits that say they bench or squat a certain amount actually do.

      Again, I really don't know whether or not Meier's numbers are accurate, but I've just become pretty skeptical about what recruits tell me on that front.

      Todd Worly

    • Todd, I hope you see this is not me questioning your analysis of this kid or the fact that you like him as a player. Just leery because he is 170lb kid, with average speed, playing against weak competition.

      Since RB is such a huge need given Iowa's current state, I'm really hoping if they take Ibrahim, that they also look at taking another RB as well. Obviously you aren't the only one who liked his tape if BC, Iowa and Pitt have offered.

      lumuhawk

    • Todd Worly said...

      Lifting wise, Meier's numbers could be accurate, but if I had a dime for every recruit that claims a ridiculously high bench or squat, I'd be a millionaire. From reading your posts, I know you're really big into lifting, as am I. I've had recruits send me videos of them "squatting 500 lbs," and in the video, they don't even go down half way. And there's no way that all of the recruits that say they bench or squat a certain amount actually do.

      I like the power lifts: dead lifts, squats, any type of clean or snatch. Bench is just a dcensored measuring contest. That same kid that could bench 330lbs in HS at 155lbs couldnt squat that.

      Maybe I should send you a video of me "squating" 500 lbs...... be the best calf raises video you ever see lol. I agree, Ive seen some meat heads go in the gym and put on 500 before and its like "dude whats the point of what your doing if your not even going parallel? Take off half that weight and ACTUALLY work out your lower body and not your lower back"

      This post was edited by fuisu on 8/28/2012 at 5:44 PM

      fuisu

    • Todd Worly said...

      As I said in my previous post, I really like his explosiveness, change of direction and footwork. He's got the frame to play at 6'2'', 215, and combined with the attributes I listed, he could be a solid B1G running back at that point.

      I really don't pay much attention to testing numbers, because they're often extremely inaccurate, so I very rarely ask any recruits for them and/or report them. Therefore, I don't have anything for Ibrahim. I'd honestly be shocked if any of those numbers are 100% accurate for Meier. I'm not at all saying that he won't have a good career at Iowa, but I've found that the vast majority of lifting and running test numbers from recruits are significantly exaggerated.

      If the coaches think they can get him up to 6'2 215, they would be good numbers for him. He does have fairly good vision and a nice change of direction. If he could become a back that just overpowers other ones, I would enjoy him on the roster.

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    • fuisu said...

      I like the power lifts: dead lifts, squats, any type of clean or snatch. Bench is just a dcensored measuring contest. That same kid that could bench 330lbs in HS at 155lbs couldnt squat that.

      Maybe I should send you a video of me "squating" 500 lbs...... be the best calf raises video you ever see lol. I agree, Ive seen some meat heads go in the gym and put on 500 before and its like "dude whats the point of what your doing if your not even going parallel? Take off half that weight and ACTUALLY work out your lower body and not your lower back"

      lol I'm with ya!

      Keep in mind that a lot of these kids have no idea how to dead lift properly, and their squat and/or clean form may be pretty rough as well. So a kid may have the strength to put up some impressive numbers, but his technique doesn't allow him to. Or, as with the squat example I gave, his totals are extremely inflated due to improper technique.

      Todd Worly

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